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Not in so many words--but then again, there is a lot of dog-whistling going on, intentionally or not. I really hate to link to some of these, but Red State doe

Not in so many words--but then again, there is a lot of dog-whistling going on, intentionally or not. I really hate to link to some of these, but Red State does a decent summation of the "loopholes" as they apply to the executive actions took in January of this year ( http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/01/05/obamas-executive-action-guns/ http://www.redstate.com/absentee/2016/01/05/obamas-executive... ). It's not just the adoption of simple measures, though. There is a lot of resistance to wider-spread bans that are kinda just waiting in the wings ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Trade_Treaty https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arms_Trade_Treaty ) to remove the self-determination and ability to self-arm. Sure, a lot of kooks are the ones resisting, but there are legitimate concerns there. Those bans are made possible by slow harmonizing measures, as weapons are restricted bit by bit by bit. The basic problem in all of this is that the lies have been pervasive on both sides, and have been egregiously so in the case of proponents of gun-control measures. The phrase "assault weapon" was adopted literally to ban weapons that looked scary or military irrespective of their functional abilities. The phrase "commonsense measures" is specifically done to make a massive erosion of freedoms seem noncontroversial. The entire posturing of gun control has been to either fear-monger or to smear as ignorant people who appreciate the value of retaining their right to self-defense and to do with their property what they will. EDIT: Loathe as I am to mention them, Breitbart has a useful quote showing exactly the mainstream politician talking about seizing weapons: http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/16/hillary-clinton-australia-gun-ban-worth-looking-u-s/ http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/16/hillary-c... Washington Post had an interesting bit here as well: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/08/why-so-many-americans-think-the-government-wants-their-guns/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2016/01/08/why-s...

chetanahuja 10y ago
"I really hate to link to some of these" "Loathe as I am to mention them," You know, just don't do that if you really dislike those publications so much. "The entire posturing of gun control has been to either fear-monger or to smear" No fear mongering is required. Simple data mongering is enough http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/health/mass-shootings-in-america-in-charts-and-graphs-trnd/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/health/mass-shootings-in-ameri...
- angersock 10y ago
  When those publications are as generally biased and nutzo as they are, I feel the need to disclaim referencing them even for direct quotes and facts. They had the information I needed, but I still don't want to act like they're gospel for anything else! As for the data mongering, your link notes that (ignoring gang violence), there have been only 3, not 136, shootings this year. It's a bit curious that such a large order of magnitude change can be had by changing the definition slightly--and yet, it's nearly always the more dramatic number reported and reported as an imminent threat!

chetanahuja 10y ago

"I really hate to link to some of these" "Loathe as I am to mention them," You know, just don't do that if you really dislike those publications so much. "The entire posturing of gun control has been to either fear-monger or to smear" No fear mongering is required. Simple data mongering is enough http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/health/mass-shootings-in-america-in-charts-and-graphs-trnd/ http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/13/health/mass-shootings-in-ameri...

angersock 10y ago
When those publications are as generally biased and nutzo as they are, I feel the need to disclaim referencing them even for direct quotes and facts. They had the information I needed, but I still don't want to act like they're gospel for anything else! As for the data mongering, your link notes that (ignoring gang violence), there have been only 3, not 136, shootings this year. It's a bit curious that such a large order of magnitude change can be had by changing the definition slightly--and yet, it's nearly always the more dramatic number reported and reported as an imminent threat!