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Not everyone wants to write the most idiomatic C++, so writing variably C-ish code in C++ isn't really all that uncommon nowadays. If you're a C programmer but

Not everyone wants to write the most idiomatic C++, so writing variably C-ish code in C++ isn't really all that uncommon nowadays. If you're a C programmer but you notice C++ has a convenient feature (or features) that you might find useful in a pinch, hell, maybe it's worth it to bite the bullet (although that's not to say that using C++ in lieu of C can have its drawbacks, though)

pmiller2 10y ago
I would completely agree with you if this weren't a C compiler project. In this case, the advantage of having a self-hosting compiler is huge! Among other things, you can use the compiler source itself to test the compiler, which is pretty cool. I have worked on projects that were essentially "C with classes," and it was fine. I'm not saying every C++ project needs to go all out using every feature from C++ 11, but I didn't even see much beyond use of the string class here. It seems not worth giving up self-hosting to me.
- mac01021 10y ago
  > the advantage of having a self-hosting compiler is huge! I agree that it's kind of neat to compile your compiler with itself, but it's not clear to me that this constitutes a significant productivity boost. There are countless other C programs that have already been written and can be used as test cases. So I'm left wondering what the huge advantage that self-hosting provides is. I am interested so, if you have more to say on the topic, I will certainly read it.
  - userbinator 10y ago
    If we're talking about toy compilers and learning, then productivity isn't really in consideration. Having a self-hosting compiler for a non-trivial language means you've achieved the "bootstrap" stage, which is a significant milestone and really gives you a practical understanding of what's involved in developing a programming language. A compiler that is powerful enough to compile itself is on the way to exiting the "toy"/"theoretical" realm that most people who study compilers don't ever go beyond.
- apk17 10y ago
  You could just start to replace C++ things by plain C until it is self-hosting.

pmiller2 10y ago

I would completely agree with you if this weren't a C compiler project. In this case, the advantage of having a self-hosting compiler is huge! Among other things, you can use the compiler source itself to test the compiler, which is pretty cool. I have worked on projects that were essentially "C with classes," and it was fine. I'm not saying every C++ project needs to go all out using every feature from C++ 11, but I didn't even see much beyond use of the string class here. It seems not worth giving up self-hosting to me.

mac01021 10y ago
> the advantage of having a self-hosting compiler is huge! I agree that it's kind of neat to compile your compiler with itself, but it's not clear to me that this constitutes a significant productivity boost. There are countless other C programs that have already been written and can be used as test cases. So I'm left wondering what the huge advantage that self-hosting provides is. I am interested so, if you have more to say on the topic, I will certainly read it.
- userbinator 10y ago
  If we're talking about toy compilers and learning, then productivity isn't really in consideration. Having a self-hosting compiler for a non-trivial language means you've achieved the "bootstrap" stage, which is a significant milestone and really gives you a practical understanding of what's involved in developing a programming language. A compiler that is powerful enough to compile itself is on the way to exiting the "toy"/"theoretical" realm that most people who study compilers don't ever go beyond.
apk17 10y ago
You could just start to replace C++ things by plain C until it is self-hosting.