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> Your kids are your kids and it's your choice how to raise them. Full stop. No need to continue with the rest of your judgements. Parenting is a very hard jo

> Your kids are your kids and it's your choice how to raise them. Full stop. No need to continue with the rest of your judgements. Parenting is a very hard job, and it's only made worse by all the parents (and even worse--non-parents) that want to make judgements. Being a parent, I now have a profound respect and appreciation for my parents (especially my mother). Things weren't always great, but they did the best they could.

tetromino_ 10y ago
> Being a parent, I now have a profound respect and appreciation for my parents (especially my mother). Things weren't always great, but they did the best they could. Dude, I was growing up in the dying days of the Soviet Union, with empty shelves and lines and ration cards, and growing vegetables on a little private plot to make it through the winter without vitamin deficiency. I know very well what it's like to try to provide the best you can for your family when the circumstances don't allow you to provide much at all. But there's an enormous difference between going to a fast food place because the kids are hungry and the fridge is empty and that's the place which is open and nearby and affordable, and regularly bringing kids to a fast food place just because I like the ambience. And as a general principle, if I am not open to criticism and judgment of others, I am hobbling my ability improve. In any aspect of life. Work or scholarship or raising a child.
- balls187 10y ago
  I think you missed my point. OP: shared personal experience related to topic of the article. You: shared off-topic comment that teaching kids to eat at McD's is not good. Me: Directly--don't share your judgements on how the OP chooses to parent (also off-topic).
dsfyu404ed 10y ago
No, not full stop. Just because raising kids, being a police officer, digging a ditch is "hard work" doesn't free someone from having that work criticized.
- balls187 10y ago
  Strawman Argument.
- gh-lfneu28 10y ago
  Actually everyone should be free from being criticized, except for the people with the authority to do so. That goes double for people doing hard work and triple for people doing work that every joe shmoe on the internet thinks himself an expert on. In other words, my spouse can criticize my parenting everyone else can go frack themselves. Full stop.
  - dimino 10y ago
    No one is free from criticism, what they're free from is being forced to listen to it. No one's making anyone else here participate in the discussion. Performing hard work doesn't make you immune from doing that work poorly, and it's kind of alarming to me that this insular attitude is so popular on HN.
    - gh-lfneu28 10y ago
      > they're free from is being forced to listen to it That's what I've called 'free from being critisized' so yeah. Not sure what you mean by "No one is free from criticism". If you refer to rights of other people to express their critical opinion - sure, let them run their mouths in their own space. The problems begin (as usual) when A is being forced to listen to B's opinions either because A cannot move away or because Bs are too numerous. That's where I think that B should have to shut up. "Your freedom to fo X ends etc etc". Participating in hard work is an aggravating factor here, meaning B should have to shut the f up right now or be forcefully removed. In case of doubt just imaging an idiot shouting their mouth at the working surgeon.
      - dimino 10y ago
        Sorry, numerousness or locality are not criteria for removing a person's right to expression. A needs to learn to tolerate B, basically. A isn't performing surgery, A is trying to write comments on HN.
dimino 10y ago
What kind of attitude is this, really? Is parenting some sacred thing, immune from analysis or criticism? Does parenting happen outside the realm of logic or reason, where all decisions are good, and any attempt at measurement or objectivity is worthless?
- balls187 10y ago
  > What kind of attitude is this, really? "Good internet citizenship." Keep your criticism relevant to the topic, which was: McDonald's used as a community center in poor neighborhoods. Not, how to teach your kids good eating habits. > Is parenting some sacred thing, immune from analysis or criticism? Parenting MY kids, most definitely is sacred.
  - dimino 10y ago
    Sorry friend, but when you told a story about how you parent your kids, you put your parenting within the purview of the topic. There is nothing sacred about your parenting that makes it above scrutiny. Nothing whatsoever.
    - balls187 10y ago
      I'm not your friend, buddy. Also, I never told a story about how I parent my kids.
      - dimino 10y ago
        This isn't reddit, no need to meme, and I meant the royal "you". When one brings up one's parenting strategy, it becomes topical.
- nikdaheratik 10y ago
  Maybe because most parents, especially new parents, already get enough of that "friendly advice" from strangers on the street, in the shops, at the park, and everywhere else.

tetromino_ 10y ago

> Being a parent, I now have a profound respect and appreciation for my parents (especially my mother). Things weren't always great, but they did the best they could. Dude, I was growing up in the dying days of the Soviet Union, with empty shelves and lines and ration cards, and growing vegetables on a little private plot to make it through the winter without vitamin deficiency. I know very well what it's like to try to provide the best you can for your family when the circumstances don't allow you to provide much at all. But there's an enormous difference between going to a fast food place because the kids are hungry and the fridge is empty and that's the place which is open and nearby and affordable, and regularly bringing kids to a fast food place just because I like the ambience. And as a general principle, if I am not open to criticism and judgment of others, I am hobbling my ability improve. In any aspect of life. Work or scholarship or raising a child.

balls187 10y ago
I think you missed my point. OP: shared personal experience related to topic of the article. You: shared off-topic comment that teaching kids to eat at McD's is not good. Me: Directly--don't share your judgements on how the OP chooses to parent (also off-topic).

dsfyu404ed 10y ago

No, not full stop. Just because raising kids, being a police officer, digging a ditch is "hard work" doesn't free someone from having that work criticized.

balls187 10y ago
Strawman Argument.
gh-lfneu28 10y ago
Actually everyone should be free from being criticized, except for the people with the authority to do so. That goes double for people doing hard work and triple for people doing work that every joe shmoe on the internet thinks himself an expert on. In other words, my spouse can criticize my parenting everyone else can go frack themselves. Full stop.
- dimino 10y ago
  No one is free from criticism, what they're free from is being forced to listen to it. No one's making anyone else here participate in the discussion. Performing hard work doesn't make you immune from doing that work poorly, and it's kind of alarming to me that this insular attitude is so popular on HN.
  - gh-lfneu28 10y ago
    > they're free from is being forced to listen to it That's what I've called 'free from being critisized' so yeah. Not sure what you mean by "No one is free from criticism". If you refer to rights of other people to express their critical opinion - sure, let them run their mouths in their own space. The problems begin (as usual) when A is being forced to listen to B's opinions either because A cannot move away or because Bs are too numerous. That's where I think that B should have to shut up. "Your freedom to fo X ends etc etc". Participating in hard work is an aggravating factor here, meaning B should have to shut the f up right now or be forcefully removed. In case of doubt just imaging an idiot shouting their mouth at the working surgeon.
    - dimino 10y ago
      Sorry, numerousness or locality are not criteria for removing a person's right to expression. A needs to learn to tolerate B, basically. A isn't performing surgery, A is trying to write comments on HN.

dimino 10y ago

What kind of attitude is this, really? Is parenting some sacred thing, immune from analysis or criticism? Does parenting happen outside the realm of logic or reason, where all decisions are good, and any attempt at measurement or objectivity is worthless?

balls187 10y ago
> What kind of attitude is this, really? "Good internet citizenship." Keep your criticism relevant to the topic, which was: McDonald's used as a community center in poor neighborhoods. Not, how to teach your kids good eating habits. > Is parenting some sacred thing, immune from analysis or criticism? Parenting MY kids, most definitely is sacred.
- dimino 10y ago
  Sorry friend, but when you told a story about how you parent your kids, you put your parenting within the purview of the topic. There is nothing sacred about your parenting that makes it above scrutiny. Nothing whatsoever.
  - balls187 10y ago
    I'm not your friend, buddy. Also, I never told a story about how I parent my kids.
    - dimino 10y ago
      This isn't reddit, no need to meme, and I meant the royal "you". When one brings up one's parenting strategy, it becomes topical.
nikdaheratik 10y ago
Maybe because most parents, especially new parents, already get enough of that "friendly advice" from strangers on the street, in the shops, at the park, and everywhere else.