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Ask for other compensation rather than money. For example, ask for a 4 day work week, or 2 months paid leave, or possibly other perks that are important to you

Ask for other compensation rather than money. For example, ask for a 4 day work week, or 2 months paid leave, or possibly other perks that are important to you? You could also ask that the company make a donation on your behalf to another cause. The nice part is that you can look passionate, important, and pragmatic all at the same time. For example, say "I deeply care about free and open source software. As part of my compensation package, I expect your XYZ company to donate $$$ to MyCause."

emilburzo 10y ago
It's a good idea, if the salary talk is after I've had a chance to prove I have value. But a lot of times there's actually a specific field in the application form with "expected compensation".
- nostrademons 10y ago
  Put market rates down in that field, and then when they reach a hiring decision, say "By the way, because of tax rates in my country, I'd like it if you could make my salary no more than $55K and donate the rest to these charities." I don't know any business that wouldn't be glad to find out, on hiring decision, that their new employee will cost them half as much as they bargained for and they can take a tax write-off on the rest.
  - Nicholas_C 10y ago
    If you're trying to get a job at BigCorp that's probably an HR nightmare to figure out.
rabidrat 10y ago
I've been asking for 80% time for 10 years, and my current company is the only one who has ever approved it. Companies say that only the work matters, and they want to be flexible, and yadda yadda, but corporate culture expects you to be available on Fridays, at least nominally. And this is more true the bigger the company.
- emilburzo 10y ago
  I've also noticed a disturbing trend with pseudo on-call availability, even on the weekends, labelled as "flexible working hours". Then there's always the "unlimited time off, we trust you".
  - rabidrat 10y ago
    Yes, the company I'm at now has the 'unlimited time off' policy. Which has been shown to reduce the amount of time off people actually take, and means they don't have to pay out vacation when you leave. And that's on top of the perception that they're being kind to their employees. A triple win for the company. But that's exactly why I want my 80% time to be officially recognized. I don't want to feel guilty or worry that I haven't justified my existence when I'm not there on Fridays. The contractual 3-day weekend means a lot more to me than an extra 20% salary with strings attached.
    - bbcbasic 10y ago
      What happens if you test that unlimited policy and take say every Friday off?
      - brianwawok 10y ago
        Your coworkers will resent you, and maybe try to get you on the crap projects.
- brianwawok 10y ago
  The only counterpoint I could see is that you have fixed costs (insurance, desk, computer).. so 80% pay for 80% work is a small raise I guess? To make the bean counters happy maybe 75% pay for 80% work would be more fair? But regardless, seems pretty awesome. I would want employees to get work done, not sit in a chair. I suspect someone working 4 day weeks would get more work done, per hour average, then someone working 5 days a week. Seems a no-brainer for a business to allow. Now 1-2 day weeks for 20-40% pay? I can see communication is a bit tricky.. but 4 days a week is plenty.

emilburzo 10y ago

It's a good idea, if the salary talk is after I've had a chance to prove I have value. But a lot of times there's actually a specific field in the application form with "expected compensation".

nostrademons 10y ago
Put market rates down in that field, and then when they reach a hiring decision, say "By the way, because of tax rates in my country, I'd like it if you could make my salary no more than $55K and donate the rest to these charities." I don't know any business that wouldn't be glad to find out, on hiring decision, that their new employee will cost them half as much as they bargained for and they can take a tax write-off on the rest.
- Nicholas_C 10y ago
  If you're trying to get a job at BigCorp that's probably an HR nightmare to figure out.

rabidrat 10y ago

I've been asking for 80% time for 10 years, and my current company is the only one who has ever approved it. Companies say that only the work matters, and they want to be flexible, and yadda yadda, but corporate culture expects you to be available on Fridays, at least nominally. And this is more true the bigger the company.

emilburzo 10y ago
I've also noticed a disturbing trend with pseudo on-call availability, even on the weekends, labelled as "flexible working hours". Then there's always the "unlimited time off, we trust you".
- rabidrat 10y ago
  Yes, the company I'm at now has the 'unlimited time off' policy. Which has been shown to reduce the amount of time off people actually take, and means they don't have to pay out vacation when you leave. And that's on top of the perception that they're being kind to their employees. A triple win for the company. But that's exactly why I want my 80% time to be officially recognized. I don't want to feel guilty or worry that I haven't justified my existence when I'm not there on Fridays. The contractual 3-day weekend means a lot more to me than an extra 20% salary with strings attached.
  - bbcbasic 10y ago
    What happens if you test that unlimited policy and take say every Friday off?
    - brianwawok 10y ago
      Your coworkers will resent you, and maybe try to get you on the crap projects.
brianwawok 10y ago
The only counterpoint I could see is that you have fixed costs (insurance, desk, computer).. so 80% pay for 80% work is a small raise I guess? To make the bean counters happy maybe 75% pay for 80% work would be more fair? But regardless, seems pretty awesome. I would want employees to get work done, not sit in a chair. I suspect someone working 4 day weeks would get more work done, per hour average, then someone working 5 days a week. Seems a no-brainer for a business to allow. Now 1-2 day weeks for 20-40% pay? I can see communication is a bit tricky.. but 4 days a week is plenty.