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It was allowing so well until it mentioned ballistic launched anti ship missiles. No one is going to launch a ballistic missile at a carrier group as it is ind

by Marazan 10y ago

It was allowing so well until it mentioned ballistic launched anti ship missiles. No one is going to launch a ballistic missile at a carrier group as it is indistinguishable from a nuclear weapon launch. So the only situation a ballistic missile attack against a carrier group will occur is in WW3 and we are all dead anyways.

Arnt 10y ago
Aren't there radars around to distinguish between missiles headed for space and ones headed for Baltimore, based on the early part of their trajectory? Presumably those radars could also distinguish between missiles headed for Baltimore and ones headed for a mostly-empty area of the Pacific.
Nokinside 10y ago
This is not correct. Maybe it was real thing from cold war era. In any case, it has not been true for a long time. Conventional missile artillery is today's reality. The idea that detecting launch of multiple MRBM's or IRBM would be automatically assumed to be nuclear strike is absurd. US knows that China's second artillery has wast range of conventionally armed ballistic missiles and they are part of their conventional military strategy. Russia has batteries of Iskander-M missiles directed towards Europe. Large air-defense missiles like Patriot, S-300, SM-3 can also be mistaken as ballistic missiles during the launch. Terminology: Ballistic missile is general term referring to a missile that follows a ballistic trajectory. There are several different classes of BM's (Ballistic Missiles) and they can be easily distinguished from each other by following their trajectory little bit (there are battlefield-range, short-range, medium-range, intermediate-range and intercontinental BMs).
- Marazan 10y ago
  When people talk of ship killing ballistic missiles they are talking about China's Domgfeng arsenal. Dongfeng missiles are giants compared to any of the SAMs or missle artillery you mentioned.
  - Nokinside 10y ago
    More specially DF-21D. China uses different versions of DF-21 missile as medium-range ballistic missile with large payload, for conventional precision ground attack, anti-satellite weapons delivery, ballistic missile defense and for nuclear strike. DF-21 is medium-range ballistic missile. The new DF-26 is even bigger (intermediate-range ballistic missile) and can reach Guam with conventional warhead.
nitwit005 10y ago
You might get the nuclear launch keys put into someone's hands, but I doubt anyone would assume a nuclear attack by default. There are all sorts of munitions hurled around that could, potentially, be nukes.
JoachimS 10y ago
Kinetic bombardment would look fairly similar to a ballistic attack, but would not be similar to nuclear weapons launch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment

by Marazan 10y ago

Arnt 10y ago

Aren't there radars around to distinguish between missiles headed for space and ones headed for Baltimore, based on the early part of their trajectory? Presumably those radars could also distinguish between missiles headed for Baltimore and ones headed for a mostly-empty area of the Pacific.

Nokinside 10y ago

This is not correct. Maybe it was real thing from cold war era. In any case, it has not been true for a long time. Conventional missile artillery is today's reality. The idea that detecting launch of multiple MRBM's or IRBM would be automatically assumed to be nuclear strike is absurd. US knows that China's second artillery has wast range of conventionally armed ballistic missiles and they are part of their conventional military strategy. Russia has batteries of Iskander-M missiles directed towards Europe. Large air-defense missiles like Patriot, S-300, SM-3 can also be mistaken as ballistic missiles during the launch. Terminology: Ballistic missile is general term referring to a missile that follows a ballistic trajectory. There are several different classes of BM's (Ballistic Missiles) and they can be easily distinguished from each other by following their trajectory little bit (there are battlefield-range, short-range, medium-range, intermediate-range and intercontinental BMs).

Marazan 10y ago
When people talk of ship killing ballistic missiles they are talking about China's Domgfeng arsenal. Dongfeng missiles are giants compared to any of the SAMs or missle artillery you mentioned.
- Nokinside 10y ago
  More specially DF-21D. China uses different versions of DF-21 missile as medium-range ballistic missile with large payload, for conventional precision ground attack, anti-satellite weapons delivery, ballistic missile defense and for nuclear strike. DF-21 is medium-range ballistic missile. The new DF-26 is even bigger (intermediate-range ballistic missile) and can reach Guam with conventional warhead.

nitwit005 10y ago

You might get the nuclear launch keys put into someone's hands, but I doubt anyone would assume a nuclear attack by default. There are all sorts of munitions hurled around that could, potentially, be nukes.

JoachimS 10y ago

Kinetic bombardment would look fairly similar to a ballistic attack, but would not be similar to nuclear weapons launch. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_bombardment