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> As someone who does not use or want Apple's mobile devices My guess is that most of Mac users do want/use Apple mobile devices, and that in fact the majority

> As someone who does not use or want Apple's mobile devices My guess is that most of Mac users do want/use Apple mobile devices, and that in fact the majority of their computing time is now on those devices so it makes sense that the team would focus heavily on the interface and overlap between iOS / MacOS.

izacus 10y ago
Huh, in most of the world the mapping between iOS and macOS users is nowhere 1-to-1. There's huge amount of users who use either one or the other. Which doesn't really change the fact that even Windows 10 has been starting to pass them by with significant new features.
- coldtea 10y ago
  You'd be surprised. Actually there are indeed more iOS users than OS X -- but OS X users almost all have an iOS device, which is what's important here.
  - izacus 10y ago
    I would be, because most of the workplaces and other places didn't confirm your observation. With perhaps the exception of SV, which is filled with Apple hardware. Can we conjure any statistics from somewhere to confirm / deny our observations?
    - hrktb 10y ago
      I'd think devs would be kin to have a macos computer but no iOS device (android devs would be the obvious pattern, but web devs would also easily be on android) Out of that demographic, I don't see much people that care enough to buy a mac but choose an android or windows phone.
- DasIch 10y ago
  The macOS users of the past have adopted iOS for its good macOS integration, the iOS users of the current and future will go with macOS for its good iOS integration. Apple is tying all it's devices strongly together through software and services. This way you have a huge incentive to completely buy into the Apple ecosystem. This matters far more than something like a new filesystem - a term most Apple customers have never even heard.
chetanahuja 10y ago
"My guess is that most of Mac users do want/use Apple mobile device" That's what it is... a guess. Unless you can produce some data to back it up. There's a huge community (especially outside of US) who use Macs for day-to-day work but use android mobile devices as that's the most sensible choice for a majority of the world.
- stephenr 10y ago
  > use android mobile devices as that's the most sensible choice That is a highly subjective statement at best.
  - ahaaaaaaa 10y ago
    It's not even a preference thing though. Android phones are absolutely killing the low-end smartphone market and international users are very heavily Android locked-in. I can buy a pretty solid Android phone for 200-300 dollars, even less these days. The cheapest iPhones are 400-500 dollars. It's why Android dominates iOS globally.(https://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp https://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp). Outside of SV, Android is still the most common mobile OS (including in the US).
    - chetanahuja 10y ago
      > Outside of SV, Android is still the most common mobile OS (including in the US). And as a result, the app and services ecosystem supports Android as the main platform in large ecosystems outside the US like China, India and Brazil.
- pier25 10y ago
  Yep. Macbook + Android here.
fooey 10y ago
Only reason I use OSX is that's what I was issued at work. I don't own an iOS device, never have, and don't see myself ever getting one in the future. All of my personal mobile devices are Android, and all my desktops/laptops are Windows.
- banach 10y ago
  As someone who has used Windows, Mac and Linux as both personal and work OS for > 5 years each, I'm curious to know how come (you don't see yourself getting one in the future). The two things I have against the Apple platform compared to Microsoft and Google are Apple's bias toward lock-in and their aversion to tinkering. Other than that, I think what they are offering is rather good.
  - robert_nsu 10y ago
    > aversion to tinkering That is my biggest (and really only) complaint against Apple. Sometimes you have to go under the hood and do a few things. I don't know what Apple has against this way of thinking though.
  - majewsky 10y ago
    I got a Macbook Pro as work machine in late 2014, having used a Thinkpad before. 1. Mac OS is just too unfamiliar. It starts with the keyboard layout, which I reverted to Windows-style after I went crazy trying to find the square brackets. (Which, probably for aesthetics, they didn't bother to print ont he keyboard.) 2. Mac OS's poor multi-monitor support regularly drives me crazy. To their credit, they have ironed out a lot of the bugs in Mavericks, but there is still plenty of stupid behavior (e.g. screen 1 sliding back to the desktop from a fullscreen app when a new window opens on screen 2, or a messagebox from an app on screen 3 opening on screen 1, completely out of my sight). Windows is somehow much better in this regard (at least, I was not annoyed by it that often), and even Linux has very solid multi-monitor support these days (at least for me, YMMV). 3. The userland is UNIX, but does not match my expectations well enough. It's basically in the creepy valley. For example, I was using units(1) one day and wondering why it gave a syntax error when I tried to use a power operator (like "2^64"). Then I noticed that I was in the Mac terminal, not in my Linux VM (where I usually work), and upon inspecting the manpage, I found that they hadn't updated their units(1) since 1991 (wtf). 4. The company where I work is mostly a Windows shop, so corporate IT is based on Microsoft products (AD, Exchange, Lync aka Skype for Business) all the way through. While there are Office for Mac, Outlook for Mac, and Lync for Mac, these are still no match to their Windows counterparts in terms of polish and OS-level integration. All in all, I'm already set on going back to a Windows notebook when it is time to get a new machine. (It's not like my Linux VM cares which host OS it runs on, anyway.)

izacus 10y ago

Huh, in most of the world the mapping between iOS and macOS users is nowhere 1-to-1. There's huge amount of users who use either one or the other. Which doesn't really change the fact that even Windows 10 has been starting to pass them by with significant new features.

coldtea 10y ago
You'd be surprised. Actually there are indeed more iOS users than OS X -- but OS X users almost all have an iOS device, which is what's important here.
- izacus 10y ago
  I would be, because most of the workplaces and other places didn't confirm your observation. With perhaps the exception of SV, which is filled with Apple hardware. Can we conjure any statistics from somewhere to confirm / deny our observations?
  - hrktb 10y ago
    I'd think devs would be kin to have a macos computer but no iOS device (android devs would be the obvious pattern, but web devs would also easily be on android) Out of that demographic, I don't see much people that care enough to buy a mac but choose an android or windows phone.
DasIch 10y ago
The macOS users of the past have adopted iOS for its good macOS integration, the iOS users of the current and future will go with macOS for its good iOS integration. Apple is tying all it's devices strongly together through software and services. This way you have a huge incentive to completely buy into the Apple ecosystem. This matters far more than something like a new filesystem - a term most Apple customers have never even heard.

chetanahuja 10y ago

"My guess is that most of Mac users do want/use Apple mobile device" That's what it is... a guess. Unless you can produce some data to back it up. There's a huge community (especially outside of US) who use Macs for day-to-day work but use android mobile devices as that's the most sensible choice for a majority of the world.

stephenr 10y ago
> use android mobile devices as that's the most sensible choice That is a highly subjective statement at best.
- ahaaaaaaa 10y ago
  It's not even a preference thing though. Android phones are absolutely killing the low-end smartphone market and international users are very heavily Android locked-in. I can buy a pretty solid Android phone for 200-300 dollars, even less these days. The cheapest iPhones are 400-500 dollars. It's why Android dominates iOS globally.(https://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp https://www.idc.com/prodserv/smartphone-os-market-share.jsp). Outside of SV, Android is still the most common mobile OS (including in the US).
  - chetanahuja 10y ago
    > Outside of SV, Android is still the most common mobile OS (including in the US). And as a result, the app and services ecosystem supports Android as the main platform in large ecosystems outside the US like China, India and Brazil.
pier25 10y ago
Yep. Macbook + Android here.

fooey 10y ago

Only reason I use OSX is that's what I was issued at work. I don't own an iOS device, never have, and don't see myself ever getting one in the future. All of my personal mobile devices are Android, and all my desktops/laptops are Windows.

banach 10y ago
As someone who has used Windows, Mac and Linux as both personal and work OS for > 5 years each, I'm curious to know how come (you don't see yourself getting one in the future). The two things I have against the Apple platform compared to Microsoft and Google are Apple's bias toward lock-in and their aversion to tinkering. Other than that, I think what they are offering is rather good.
- robert_nsu 10y ago
  > aversion to tinkering That is my biggest (and really only) complaint against Apple. Sometimes you have to go under the hood and do a few things. I don't know what Apple has against this way of thinking though.
- majewsky 10y ago
  I got a Macbook Pro as work machine in late 2014, having used a Thinkpad before. 1. Mac OS is just too unfamiliar. It starts with the keyboard layout, which I reverted to Windows-style after I went crazy trying to find the square brackets. (Which, probably for aesthetics, they didn't bother to print ont he keyboard.) 2. Mac OS's poor multi-monitor support regularly drives me crazy. To their credit, they have ironed out a lot of the bugs in Mavericks, but there is still plenty of stupid behavior (e.g. screen 1 sliding back to the desktop from a fullscreen app when a new window opens on screen 2, or a messagebox from an app on screen 3 opening on screen 1, completely out of my sight). Windows is somehow much better in this regard (at least, I was not annoyed by it that often), and even Linux has very solid multi-monitor support these days (at least for me, YMMV). 3. The userland is UNIX, but does not match my expectations well enough. It's basically in the creepy valley. For example, I was using units(1) one day and wondering why it gave a syntax error when I tried to use a power operator (like "2^64"). Then I noticed that I was in the Mac terminal, not in my Linux VM (where I usually work), and upon inspecting the manpage, I found that they hadn't updated their units(1) since 1991 (wtf). 4. The company where I work is mostly a Windows shop, so corporate IT is based on Microsoft products (AD, Exchange, Lync aka Skype for Business) all the way through. While there are Office for Mac, Outlook for Mac, and Lync for Mac, these are still no match to their Windows counterparts in terms of polish and OS-level integration. All in all, I'm already set on going back to a Windows notebook when it is time to get a new machine. (It's not like my Linux VM cares which host OS it runs on, anyway.)