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Copy/paste across iPhone and Mac is very useful. All the other features are Meh. I really don't want to be that guy talking to my Mac at work. I can't be sure

Copy/paste across iPhone and Mac is very useful. All the other features are Meh. I really don't want to be that guy talking to my Mac at work. I can't be sure that all my questions to Siri are not awkward to speak out. Would have been great to have a textual interface though. You know that Keyboard thingy that is always with a Mac?!

ebbv 10y ago
Spotlight is already incredibly useful, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's getting some of these improvements. We should know soon since Developer Preview of Sierra should be available today.
- coldtea 10y ago
  The definitely said it wont be available today.
  - trvrsalom 10y ago
    The developer previews will be available today, already have iOS 10 running on one device. http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/06/13/ios-10-watchos-3-macos-sierra-betas-will-debut-for-developers-today-public-testers-in-july http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/06/13/ios-10-watchos-3-m...
    - coldtea 10y ago
      For registered developers yes, the public beta is July though.
      - ebbv 10y ago
        Well that's what I said: > Developer Preview of Sierra should be available today. Which you disagreed with. So, you were factually wrong.
spilk 10y ago
I think clipboard permissions for applications is going to become an issue with features like this. I may be incorrect but I'm pretty sure that clipboard access is unrestricted on both OS X (ugh, macOS) and iOS.
- thothamon 10y ago
  I think I'm gonna stick with calling it OS X, marketers be d*ed.
  - arm 10y ago
    Frankly, I much preferred when they called it Mac OS X. The change to OS X just seemed stupid to me—with a name like 'Operating System Ten', it was as if it didn’t even have a name anymore! …which is why (in my opinion) macOS ('Mac Operating System') is far better than what it’s replacing.
  - rahoulb 10y ago
    It was called Mac OS for years (1) I also remember when it was just called "System" (1) Yeah yeah I know all about NeXT, but OS X isn't NeXT as anyone who used Rhapsody will remember
otterley 10y ago
> I really don't want to be that guy talking to my Mac at work What about your disabled colleague?
- reacharavindh 10y ago
  Now, I'm all for making Siri better as an "Accessibility feature". I was just referring to myself talking to my Mac for doing my basic activities. It might be annoying at best to my co-worker so would he be to me when he does talk to his Mac all the time.
bhauer 10y ago
> Copy/paste across iPhone and Mac is very useful. I don't use a Mac or an iPhone, but I applaud this sort of device harmony. That said, I am worried that it would unnecessarily leverage the cloud. My guess is that instead of the two devices directly communicating with one another—that is, instead of leveraging the fact that they are probably on the same local network and should just work in concert—the clipboard data will be sent via a cloud intermediary. That is, it will be exfiltrated from the local network, sent through Apple, and then back into the local network. If I am wrong about that, I am happy to hear it.
- kylec 10y ago
  In the presentation they said that it used Handoff, which is direct device to device communication.
- trjordan 10y ago
  P2P connections is a place that's generally terrible for mobile. You have to keep connections open to more devices, which is generally bad for battery. You could imagine a copy/paste that waits for a message from the cloud (because Apple push notifications are pretty solid), then opens the new connection to the local device, so the data never leaves your network. At least to me, that sounds needless complex when the typical use case could just send the entire payload with the "go look for this device" message.
  - stephenr 10y ago
    This sort of thing is exactly what Bluetooth Low Energy is for.
- archagon 10y ago
  To my knowledge, existing continuity features already do one better and communicate directly between devices, not even requiring them to be on the same network. (AirDrop is a good example.) But obviously we have no way of knowing if this will be the case here, or if there is a cloud-based fallback.
- reacharavindh 10y ago
yoodenvranx 10y ago
As someone who uses KDE Connect for copy/paste between my Android phone and my Linux desktop I can say that this feature is _amazing_.
KurtMueller 10y ago
I loved that I could hear the audience audibly gasp when the presenter brought that up and that the presenter was caught off-guard.
dcosson 10y ago
I use iOS and a password manager, and maybe 5-10% of apps I use have an integration for it (and I place the blame on Apple for this, imo if they actually care about user security as much as they want everyone to believe they do, they should have an app store review policy that forbids having a password field without using the password manager extension). Anyway, the effect is that almost every time I sign into an iOS app, I'm copy & pasting my password into the password field. So now my passwords will all be synced via bluetooth and/or to icloud whenever I sign into an app. At this point, is using a password manager actually less secure than just re-using the same password everywhere like everyone else does?
- joelg236 10y ago
  Your alternative is simply copy-pasting without using the system clipboard (old-fashioned style). I imagine there's a lot less attack vectors by doing it that way, at a small time cost. Is there no option for a "local only" clipboard with this?
  - motti 10y ago
    We at CopyCopy (a cross-platform cloud clipboard) solve this problem by only universally copying stuff that you copy twice. So: copy once -> not sent to cloud/devices copy twice (or click floating button) -> sent to all your devices and cloud account
jasonszhao 10y ago
Sometimes I copy my private keys to the clipboard. cat privatekey > pbcopy Scary if it ends up on my mobile device clipboard.
_ph_ 10y ago
>I really don't want to be that guy talking to my Mac at work. If Siri might bring an end to shared offices, I am all for it! But joking aside, yes, there are surroundings, where you don't want to talk to your device - in which I also prefer text messages to phone conversations. But well-done voice integration can vastly improve usability. Just think of not having to grab your mouse and look for that music/video player control just to mute/stop things, but being able to do it with a short voice command without leaving your editor.

ebbv 10y ago

Spotlight is already incredibly useful, and I wouldn't be surprised if it's getting some of these improvements. We should know soon since Developer Preview of Sierra should be available today.

coldtea 10y ago
The definitely said it wont be available today.
- trvrsalom 10y ago
  The developer previews will be available today, already have iOS 10 running on one device. http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/06/13/ios-10-watchos-3-macos-sierra-betas-will-debut-for-developers-today-public-testers-in-july http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/06/13/ios-10-watchos-3-m...
  - coldtea 10y ago
    For registered developers yes, the public beta is July though.
    - ebbv 10y ago
      Well that's what I said: > Developer Preview of Sierra should be available today. Which you disagreed with. So, you were factually wrong.

spilk 10y ago

I think clipboard permissions for applications is going to become an issue with features like this. I may be incorrect but I'm pretty sure that clipboard access is unrestricted on both OS X (ugh, macOS) and iOS.

thothamon 10y ago
I think I'm gonna stick with calling it OS X, marketers be d*ed.
- arm 10y ago
  Frankly, I much preferred when they called it Mac OS X. The change to OS X just seemed stupid to me—with a name like 'Operating System Ten', it was as if it didn’t even have a name anymore! …which is why (in my opinion) macOS ('Mac Operating System') is far better than what it’s replacing.
- rahoulb 10y ago
  It was called Mac OS for years (1) I also remember when it was just called "System" (1) Yeah yeah I know all about NeXT, but OS X isn't NeXT as anyone who used Rhapsody will remember

otterley 10y ago

> I really don't want to be that guy talking to my Mac at work What about your disabled colleague?

reacharavindh 10y ago
Now, I'm all for making Siri better as an "Accessibility feature". I was just referring to myself talking to my Mac for doing my basic activities. It might be annoying at best to my co-worker so would he be to me when he does talk to his Mac all the time.

bhauer 10y ago

> Copy/paste across iPhone and Mac is very useful. I don't use a Mac or an iPhone, but I applaud this sort of device harmony. That said, I am worried that it would unnecessarily leverage the cloud. My guess is that instead of the two devices directly communicating with one another—that is, instead of leveraging the fact that they are probably on the same local network and should just work in concert—the clipboard data will be sent via a cloud intermediary. That is, it will be exfiltrated from the local network, sent through Apple, and then back into the local network. If I am wrong about that, I am happy to hear it.

kylec 10y ago
In the presentation they said that it used Handoff, which is direct device to device communication.
trjordan 10y ago
P2P connections is a place that's generally terrible for mobile. You have to keep connections open to more devices, which is generally bad for battery. You could imagine a copy/paste that waits for a message from the cloud (because Apple push notifications are pretty solid), then opens the new connection to the local device, so the data never leaves your network. At least to me, that sounds needless complex when the typical use case could just send the entire payload with the "go look for this device" message.
- stephenr 10y ago
  This sort of thing is exactly what Bluetooth Low Energy is for.
archagon 10y ago
To my knowledge, existing continuity features already do one better and communicate directly between devices, not even requiring them to be on the same network. (AirDrop is a good example.) But obviously we have no way of knowing if this will be the case here, or if there is a cloud-based fallback.
reacharavindh 10y ago

yoodenvranx 10y ago

As someone who uses KDE Connect for copy/paste between my Android phone and my Linux desktop I can say that this feature is _amazing_.

KurtMueller 10y ago

I loved that I could hear the audience audibly gasp when the presenter brought that up and that the presenter was caught off-guard.

dcosson 10y ago

I use iOS and a password manager, and maybe 5-10% of apps I use have an integration for it (and I place the blame on Apple for this, imo if they actually care about user security as much as they want everyone to believe they do, they should have an app store review policy that forbids having a password field without using the password manager extension). Anyway, the effect is that almost every time I sign into an iOS app, I'm copy & pasting my password into the password field. So now my passwords will all be synced via bluetooth and/or to icloud whenever I sign into an app. At this point, is using a password manager actually less secure than just re-using the same password everywhere like everyone else does?

joelg236 10y ago
Your alternative is simply copy-pasting without using the system clipboard (old-fashioned style). I imagine there's a lot less attack vectors by doing it that way, at a small time cost. Is there no option for a "local only" clipboard with this?
- motti 10y ago
  We at CopyCopy (a cross-platform cloud clipboard) solve this problem by only universally copying stuff that you copy twice. So: copy once -> not sent to cloud/devices copy twice (or click floating button) -> sent to all your devices and cloud account

jasonszhao 10y ago

Sometimes I copy my private keys to the clipboard. cat privatekey > pbcopy Scary if it ends up on my mobile device clipboard.

_ph_ 10y ago

>I really don't want to be that guy talking to my Mac at work. If Siri might bring an end to shared offices, I am all for it! But joking aside, yes, there are surroundings, where you don't want to talk to your device - in which I also prefer text messages to phone conversations. But well-done voice integration can vastly improve usability. Just think of not having to grab your mouse and look for that music/video player control just to mute/stop things, but being able to do it with a short voice command without leaving your editor.