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I hope all the cloud storage can be turned off. Depending on your job (e.g. confidential data) or how much you pay for bandwidth, these are some really bad fea

I hope all the cloud storage can be turned off. Depending on your job (e.g. confidential data) or how much you pay for bandwidth, these are some really bad features.

umanwizard 10y ago
It's not like iOS where everything is locked down. You are root and can do anything you want on your machine. It should be pretty trivial to prevent the cloud storage stuff from running.
- protomyth 10y ago
  I have to disable security by typing commands at a reboot to change system icons, so I'm not really root in the traditional sense on my Mac.
  - umanwizard 10y ago
    Unless they remove the ability to turn off SIP, you have full control over your machine. This is very different from iOS where you have to wait for some team of Chinese hackers to discover a security vulnerability in order to get access to your own device. Not sure why this is not "root in the traditional sense", unless you're in some environment where you don't have physical access to the machine and can't reboot for some reason.
    - protomyth 10y ago
      I meant with SIP, root is not the all powerful account it is traditionally. I'm also sick of the idea of disabling security to do simple things that shouldn't be covered by the security.
      - umanwizard 10y ago
        You can be sick of that if you want, but it doesn't really have anything to do with the point I was making, which is that it should be possible to disable cloud storage on your Mac, since you can do anything on your own device. Whether you can do that with a reboot or not, whether you need to disable SIP, etc., isn't really germane to what I was talking about and I feel like you just wanted to take the opportunity to rant.
        protomyth 10y ago
        I don't think I should have to disable security to do things that are not security concerns. I also doubt the average user regards root as a solution. I am not hopeful given what was said during the prior beta, that disabling SIP will always be an option. > I feel like you just wanted to take the opportunity to rant. Was this line necessary?
        rarepostinlurkr 10y ago
        How is running an account as true root not a security concern?
      - matthewmacleod 10y ago
        I have to dispute that changing core system files is something that 'shouldn't be covered by the security'. It's exactly what this sort of feature is for.
- baldfat 10y ago
  > You are root and can do anything you want on your machine. That was never my experience on an Apple device. Now my Linux boxes yes, but Apple and Windows no way. Especially with the Mac App Store and the user Interface being so locked down by Apple. Many things are hidden by Apple.
  - allemagne 10y ago
    What specifically have you tried to do on an OS X computer that you couldn't?
  - umanwizard 10y ago
    The only thing I have found that couldn't be done on an OS X device was run a custom kernel without breaking power management. Do you have any other examples of things that you can't do?
    - izacus 10y ago
      Can you modify system files and resign them so you can keep SIP working?
      - umanwizard 10y ago
        Probably, if you boot the kernel with boot flags that tell it to accept any signature. I haven't tested this.
mhurron 10y ago
Ya that cloud storage thing needs to be able to be turned off for my personal use because I don't want that feature and for work otherwise I can never upgrade past 10.11 and will basically have to go back to a Windows machine when it comes time to replace my work machine. Apple Pay in Safari seems very interesting. I wish they had come up with something that would have worked with any browser as my personal primary machine is Linux, but I can probably upgrade my old macbook to use that.
- facetube 10y ago
  There are also people who simply don't have access to sufficient bandwidth to make use of cloud storage. Forcing it on would make the OS and my internet connection useless to me.
jlarocco 10y ago
Those are not the only reasons to want the cloud features turned off. I don't want my phone and computer tied together, and it already annoys me how integrated the iPhone is to iTunes. I also don't want Apple cloud data storage. It's not a feature I need very often, and for the times I do, I have dropbox. I am not interested in having cloud storage integrated into the operating system like that. I will not be upgrading to this version until it has been verified that all of this crap can be turned off completely.
macinjosh 10y ago
You can turn them off in the setup process of macOS Sierra
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matt4077 10y ago
Why should it not be? It's been a single checkbox in settings since it was introduced.

I hope all the cloud storage can be turned off. Depending on your job (e.g. confidential data) or how much you pay for bandwidth, these are some really bad features.

umanwizard 10y ago

It's not like iOS where everything is locked down. You are root and can do anything you want on your machine. It should be pretty trivial to prevent the cloud storage stuff from running.

protomyth 10y ago
I have to disable security by typing commands at a reboot to change system icons, so I'm not really root in the traditional sense on my Mac.
- umanwizard 10y ago
  Unless they remove the ability to turn off SIP, you have full control over your machine. This is very different from iOS where you have to wait for some team of Chinese hackers to discover a security vulnerability in order to get access to your own device. Not sure why this is not "root in the traditional sense", unless you're in some environment where you don't have physical access to the machine and can't reboot for some reason.
  - protomyth 10y ago
    I meant with SIP, root is not the all powerful account it is traditionally. I'm also sick of the idea of disabling security to do simple things that shouldn't be covered by the security.
    - umanwizard 10y ago
      You can be sick of that if you want, but it doesn't really have anything to do with the point I was making, which is that it should be possible to disable cloud storage on your Mac, since you can do anything on your own device. Whether you can do that with a reboot or not, whether you need to disable SIP, etc., isn't really germane to what I was talking about and I feel like you just wanted to take the opportunity to rant.
      - protomyth 10y ago
        I don't think I should have to disable security to do things that are not security concerns. I also doubt the average user regards root as a solution. I am not hopeful given what was said during the prior beta, that disabling SIP will always be an option. > I feel like you just wanted to take the opportunity to rant. Was this line necessary?
        rarepostinlurkr 10y ago
        How is running an account as true root not a security concern?
    - matthewmacleod 10y ago
      I have to dispute that changing core system files is something that 'shouldn't be covered by the security'. It's exactly what this sort of feature is for.
baldfat 10y ago
> You are root and can do anything you want on your machine. That was never my experience on an Apple device. Now my Linux boxes yes, but Apple and Windows no way. Especially with the Mac App Store and the user Interface being so locked down by Apple. Many things are hidden by Apple.
- allemagne 10y ago
  What specifically have you tried to do on an OS X computer that you couldn't?
- umanwizard 10y ago
  The only thing I have found that couldn't be done on an OS X device was run a custom kernel without breaking power management. Do you have any other examples of things that you can't do?
  - izacus 10y ago
    Can you modify system files and resign them so you can keep SIP working?
    - umanwizard 10y ago
      Probably, if you boot the kernel with boot flags that tell it to accept any signature. I haven't tested this.

mhurron 10y ago

Ya that cloud storage thing needs to be able to be turned off for my personal use because I don't want that feature and for work otherwise I can never upgrade past 10.11 and will basically have to go back to a Windows machine when it comes time to replace my work machine. Apple Pay in Safari seems very interesting. I wish they had come up with something that would have worked with any browser as my personal primary machine is Linux, but I can probably upgrade my old macbook to use that.

facetube 10y ago
There are also people who simply don't have access to sufficient bandwidth to make use of cloud storage. Forcing it on would make the OS and my internet connection useless to me.

jlarocco 10y ago

Those are not the only reasons to want the cloud features turned off. I don't want my phone and computer tied together, and it already annoys me how integrated the iPhone is to iTunes. I also don't want Apple cloud data storage. It's not a feature I need very often, and for the times I do, I have dropbox. I am not interested in having cloud storage integrated into the operating system like that. I will not be upgrading to this version until it has been verified that all of this crap can be turned off completely.

macinjosh 10y ago

You can turn them off in the setup process of macOS Sierra

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matt4077 10y ago

Why should it not be? It's been a single checkbox in settings since it was introduced.