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That's an absurd comparison. The visa holder is not bonded and can return home at any time. The work visa system is obviously broken. Forcing employers to put

That's an absurd comparison. The visa holder is not bonded and can return home at any time. The work visa system is obviously broken. Forcing employers to put a dollar value on these supposedly necessary visas goes pretty far to fixing all the problems.

gdilla 10y ago
But it is effectively indentured servitude, because the workers see it as the first step to immigrating. Everyone knows this.
- 55acdda48ab5 10y ago
  The workers are wrong, then. That is not the purpose of the H1B. Anyone who thinks it should lead to a green card should be barred from getting the visa.
  - gdilla 10y ago
    said by someone who doesn't understand US immigration. H1B is a non immigrant visa, sure, but it can open the door to the immigration process via company sponsorship. I know because I did it, and many others do too. Applying for a greencard from your native country is counterproductive. Basically a 10 year wait for some. Why bother.
    - 55acdda48ab5 10y ago
      > it can open the door to the immigration process via company sponsorship That's wrong and it's wrong that it worked for you. You should leave.
      - gdilla 10y ago
        yeah! The ones who did it legally should leave. You're very solution oriented.
  - slededit 10y ago
    The H1-B is a dual intent status. There are categories that are strictly non-immigrant intent, TN work permits fit this category. Border guards can and do test that you have non-immigrant intent during normal border crossings while under this status ("Where is your home?" "what will you do once your TN is over?"). If it really was intended that H1-Bs not have immigrant intent then there was a legal framework already in place to ensure that. Most likely it is you that is incorrect about the purpose of these H1-Bs.
    - dragonwriter 10y ago
      The "dual-purpose" nature of the H-1B basically means that (1) you are not prohibited to enter on an H-1B with the intent to stay permanently, and, perhaps more significantly (2) you aren't required to leave the US for a period of time after entering on an H-1B before getting an immigrant visa which will let you stay permanently. But it is still a non-immigrant visa that does not lead to permanent residency or citizenship, but requires you to qualify for, apply for, and secure an immigrant visa if and when you want to become an immigrant rather than a non-immigrant worker.

gdilla 10y ago

But it is effectively indentured servitude, because the workers see it as the first step to immigrating. Everyone knows this.

55acdda48ab5 10y ago
The workers are wrong, then. That is not the purpose of the H1B. Anyone who thinks it should lead to a green card should be barred from getting the visa.
- gdilla 10y ago
  said by someone who doesn't understand US immigration. H1B is a non immigrant visa, sure, but it can open the door to the immigration process via company sponsorship. I know because I did it, and many others do too. Applying for a greencard from your native country is counterproductive. Basically a 10 year wait for some. Why bother.
  - 55acdda48ab5 10y ago
    > it can open the door to the immigration process via company sponsorship That's wrong and it's wrong that it worked for you. You should leave.
    - gdilla 10y ago
      yeah! The ones who did it legally should leave. You're very solution oriented.
- slededit 10y ago
  The H1-B is a dual intent status. There are categories that are strictly non-immigrant intent, TN work permits fit this category. Border guards can and do test that you have non-immigrant intent during normal border crossings while under this status ("Where is your home?" "what will you do once your TN is over?"). If it really was intended that H1-Bs not have immigrant intent then there was a legal framework already in place to ensure that. Most likely it is you that is incorrect about the purpose of these H1-Bs.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    The "dual-purpose" nature of the H-1B basically means that (1) you are not prohibited to enter on an H-1B with the intent to stay permanently, and, perhaps more significantly (2) you aren't required to leave the US for a period of time after entering on an H-1B before getting an immigrant visa which will let you stay permanently. But it is still a non-immigrant visa that does not lead to permanent residency or citizenship, but requires you to qualify for, apply for, and secure an immigrant visa if and when you want to become an immigrant rather than a non-immigrant worker.