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Large numbers of people in the tech community. Most people aren't us.

SpaceManiac 10y ago
I would think that non-techies would be even more confused and annoyed by their computer suddenly drastically changing out from underneath them without their permission.
- lloyd-christmas 10y ago
  And then they'd get over it. Oddly enough, my parents upgraded this past week: Mom: Honey, what's this thing stopping me from [shopping]? Dad: Don't click the button! Mom: [long lecture about how she's trying to do stuff for her grandkids]. Dad: Fine, just hit the damn button. Me: DON'T HIT THE BUTTON! I'll walk you through it. I proceeded to explain it to them. 5 days later they don't even remember/care. I guarantee you my grandmother doesn't give a shit either, nor do most of my siblings. So far, I'm at a 6:2 ratio of not caring (one of my brothers is a developer). My parents aren't exactly ignorant in regards to tech, but it simply doesn't effect them to the extent it bothers you/us.
  - tamana 10y ago
    Most of us get repeated phone calls asking where the buttons went. Learning new things gets harder with age.
- taude 10y ago
  Apple's proven that the general population get over this pretty quickly, though. Look at their iOS 7 update.
  - Silhouette 10y ago
    One of my family, who isn't particularly technical, bought a pre-iOS7 iPad after trying out someone else's and liking it. Soon it was running iOS 7 after prompting to update to the new OS. Soon after that it went back to the shop for a full refund, because the person who had liked it before found the new OS and the things that broke in the process of updating that annoying.
tajen 10y ago
Forced Windows 10 upgrade became a meme on 9gag ("Went to the toilets and saw this", etc). I learnt about the story over there before it was on HN. I'm not saying 9gag is representative, but I counter the "no-one noticed the forced upgrades". Even my parents did. Everyone noticed.
- argonaut 10y ago
  Most people have not heard of 9gag. Most adults probably don't really know what a meme is yet either (they've probably seen a few, just don't really get it yet).
  - lloyd-christmas 10y ago
    The hacker news/imgur/9gag/reddit demographic is relatively young. Some of us definitely suffer a confirmation bias from the misrepresentation of ages, especially given the significant population of boomers.
  - Sylos 10y ago
    His point was that even on 9GAG, which does not have a tech-focused community, this is a central talking point, so it's not just the tech-crowd which is pissed off about this. Sure, 9GAGgers are still at least capable of operating a computer or smartphone, but if you move even further down in tech-capabilities, it also becomes quite unlikely that those people will buy something from Microsoft to begin with.
    - lloyd-christmas 10y ago
      Here's the demographics of 9gag: http://9gag.com/gag/3325624/9gag-demographics http://9gag.com/gag/3325624/9gag-demographics They aren't consumers. Beyond that, Microsoft isn't a company that targets individuals. They make their money from companies. They don't need to care about 22 year olds that have $100k of student debt and will pirate most software anyway.
    - argonaut 10y ago
      9GAG does have a tech savvy community, that's my point.
joosters 10y ago
My dad isn't in the 'tech community' but he'll certainly remember the windows 10 upgrade as it broke his computer.
- davnn 10y ago
  Did he consider going for a Mac then?
Silhouette 10y ago
But a lot of people who make purchasing decisions for their business are. And a lot of people who advise non-technical friends and family on technical matters are, too. Also, Windows 10 updates have broken so many things for so many people that it seems quite a few of my less technically inclined friends and family are aware of the potential problems anyway.

I would think that non-techies would be even more confused and annoyed by their computer suddenly drastically changing out from underneath them without their permission.

lloyd-christmas 10y ago
And then they'd get over it. Oddly enough, my parents upgraded this past week: Mom: Honey, what's this thing stopping me from [shopping]? Dad: Don't click the button! Mom: [long lecture about how she's trying to do stuff for her grandkids]. Dad: Fine, just hit the damn button. Me: DON'T HIT THE BUTTON! I'll walk you through it. I proceeded to explain it to them. 5 days later they don't even remember/care. I guarantee you my grandmother doesn't give a shit either, nor do most of my siblings. So far, I'm at a 6:2 ratio of not caring (one of my brothers is a developer). My parents aren't exactly ignorant in regards to tech, but it simply doesn't effect them to the extent it bothers you/us.
- tamana 10y ago
  Most of us get repeated phone calls asking where the buttons went. Learning new things gets harder with age.
taude 10y ago
Apple's proven that the general population get over this pretty quickly, though. Look at their iOS 7 update.
- Silhouette 10y ago
  One of my family, who isn't particularly technical, bought a pre-iOS7 iPad after trying out someone else's and liking it. Soon it was running iOS 7 after prompting to update to the new OS. Soon after that it went back to the shop for a full refund, because the person who had liked it before found the new OS and the things that broke in the process of updating that annoying.

tajen 10y ago

Forced Windows 10 upgrade became a meme on 9gag ("Went to the toilets and saw this", etc). I learnt about the story over there before it was on HN. I'm not saying 9gag is representative, but I counter the "no-one noticed the forced upgrades". Even my parents did. Everyone noticed.

argonaut 10y ago
Most people have not heard of 9gag. Most adults probably don't really know what a meme is yet either (they've probably seen a few, just don't really get it yet).
- lloyd-christmas 10y ago
  The hacker news/imgur/9gag/reddit demographic is relatively young. Some of us definitely suffer a confirmation bias from the misrepresentation of ages, especially given the significant population of boomers.
- Sylos 10y ago
  His point was that even on 9GAG, which does not have a tech-focused community, this is a central talking point, so it's not just the tech-crowd which is pissed off about this. Sure, 9GAGgers are still at least capable of operating a computer or smartphone, but if you move even further down in tech-capabilities, it also becomes quite unlikely that those people will buy something from Microsoft to begin with.
  - lloyd-christmas 10y ago
    Here's the demographics of 9gag: http://9gag.com/gag/3325624/9gag-demographics http://9gag.com/gag/3325624/9gag-demographics They aren't consumers. Beyond that, Microsoft isn't a company that targets individuals. They make their money from companies. They don't need to care about 22 year olds that have $100k of student debt and will pirate most software anyway.
  - argonaut 10y ago
    9GAG does have a tech savvy community, that's my point.

joosters 10y ago

My dad isn't in the 'tech community' but he'll certainly remember the windows 10 upgrade as it broke his computer.

davnn 10y ago
Did he consider going for a Mac then?

Silhouette 10y ago

But a lot of people who make purchasing decisions for their business are. And a lot of people who advise non-technical friends and family on technical matters are, too. Also, Windows 10 updates have broken so many things for so many people that it seems quite a few of my less technically inclined friends and family are aware of the potential problems anyway.