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Perhaps LinkedIn will use fewer evil antipatterns now that its ownership has something resembling a reputation to uphold.

by bede 10y ago

gloves 10y ago
Unsure if you're being serious... don't need to look much further than Windows 10 auto update to see how much Microsoft care...
- simonswords82 10y ago
  Microsoft employs fifty thousand engineers. A group of them fucked up with that Windows 10 debacle. I reckon on the whole Microsoft very much do care about their reputation.
  - Jommi 10y ago
    Or they could just not change anything and the majority of people won't associate the antipatterns with the Microsoft brand a tall
  - tremon 10y ago
    So you're arguing that it was just "a rogue employee" that made that decision and executed it?
    - simonswords82 10y ago
      No, I'm saying that a group of individuals in the company made the decision, including managers and perhaps senior execs. It was not a board level decision, at least imo.
  - r2dnb 10y ago
    > A group of them fucked up with that Windows 10 debacle I don't think that the auto-update feature was introduced by a "group of developers". This was purely board of directors driven.
  - beagle3 10y ago
    You've made this comment more than once on this thread. Microsoft employs many people, but it is hierarchily managed. Things like the Windows 10 dark patterns might happen, but once the users complain (and users have been complaining since the day win 10 was out, when the patterns weren't nearly as dark), someone with veto power gets involved. This was definitely done with the approval - and I guess blessing and even direction of nadella himself. I didn't buy the "new Microsoft" for a second.
    - simonswords82 10y ago
      I just don't see it. I don't see something this low level spun up to board level. I'm also not sure what "new Microsoft" you're referring to. Their attitude is much much better under Satya; they're not perfect but they're moving in the right direction. The board level may very well have set down a strategy which was "Hey, computers that are running old versions of our OS are a real pain. Let's tell our OS team that we need them to get customers to upgrade. Hell, we've looked at the figures and it's actually cheaper for us to GIVE Windows 10 away - so keep that in mind technical peeps". The technical peeps come to look at it and decide on this stupid idea. Interestingly, Microsoft applied a half assed fix to the problem: "Based on customer feedback, in the most recent version of the Get Windows 10 (GWX) app, we confirm the time of your scheduled upgrade and provide you an additional opportunity for cancelling or rescheduling the upgrade. The screen you see may change slightly based on new feedback." From: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3095675 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3095675 So you see, they did address the problem. It's really not some evil plan to screw over their users. It was a dumb mistake, made by a handful of people who then half-assedly corrected it. As a tech community we're fixated on this shit but in the real world it really doesn't reflect all of Microsoft.
      - r2dnb 10y ago
        We're not talking about the "upgrade to Windows 10 update", but about the routine updates that are pushed to your Windows 10 system at random times without your consent. You also overlook that very often, once these updates are applied you can notice that new applications as essential as "Candy Crush Saga" have been installed on your system. I guess the "technical peeps" you mention thought users would enjoy the game and just pushed it to the release binary. Irony aside, why do you persist to try to defend what is indefensible ? I am a .NET developer and the first to acknowledge and evangelize the existence of a new Microsoft. But the way they have turned Windows 10 into a malware is unacceptable. Personally I have made my mind that as soon as .NET Core is mature I am switching to Linux. As much as I like Microsoft I can't accept to run this kind of system, they have crossed a line here.

Perhaps LinkedIn will use fewer evil antipatterns now that its ownership has something resembling a reputation to uphold.

by bede 10y ago

Perhaps LinkedIn will use fewer evil antipatterns now that its ownership has something resembling a reputation to uphold.

gloves 10y ago

Unsure if you're being serious... don't need to look much further than Windows 10 auto update to see how much Microsoft care...

simonswords82 10y ago
Microsoft employs fifty thousand engineers. A group of them fucked up with that Windows 10 debacle. I reckon on the whole Microsoft very much do care about their reputation.
- Jommi 10y ago
  Or they could just not change anything and the majority of people won't associate the antipatterns with the Microsoft brand a tall
- tremon 10y ago
  So you're arguing that it was just "a rogue employee" that made that decision and executed it?
  - simonswords82 10y ago
    No, I'm saying that a group of individuals in the company made the decision, including managers and perhaps senior execs. It was not a board level decision, at least imo.
- r2dnb 10y ago
  > A group of them fucked up with that Windows 10 debacle I don't think that the auto-update feature was introduced by a "group of developers". This was purely board of directors driven.
- beagle3 10y ago
  You've made this comment more than once on this thread. Microsoft employs many people, but it is hierarchily managed. Things like the Windows 10 dark patterns might happen, but once the users complain (and users have been complaining since the day win 10 was out, when the patterns weren't nearly as dark), someone with veto power gets involved. This was definitely done with the approval - and I guess blessing and even direction of nadella himself. I didn't buy the "new Microsoft" for a second.
  - simonswords82 10y ago
    I just don't see it. I don't see something this low level spun up to board level. I'm also not sure what "new Microsoft" you're referring to. Their attitude is much much better under Satya; they're not perfect but they're moving in the right direction. The board level may very well have set down a strategy which was "Hey, computers that are running old versions of our OS are a real pain. Let's tell our OS team that we need them to get customers to upgrade. Hell, we've looked at the figures and it's actually cheaper for us to GIVE Windows 10 away - so keep that in mind technical peeps". The technical peeps come to look at it and decide on this stupid idea. Interestingly, Microsoft applied a half assed fix to the problem: "Based on customer feedback, in the most recent version of the Get Windows 10 (GWX) app, we confirm the time of your scheduled upgrade and provide you an additional opportunity for cancelling or rescheduling the upgrade. The screen you see may change slightly based on new feedback." From: https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3095675 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/kb/3095675 So you see, they did address the problem. It's really not some evil plan to screw over their users. It was a dumb mistake, made by a handful of people who then half-assedly corrected it. As a tech community we're fixated on this shit but in the real world it really doesn't reflect all of Microsoft.
    - r2dnb 10y ago
      We're not talking about the "upgrade to Windows 10 update", but about the routine updates that are pushed to your Windows 10 system at random times without your consent. You also overlook that very often, once these updates are applied you can notice that new applications as essential as "Candy Crush Saga" have been installed on your system. I guess the "technical peeps" you mention thought users would enjoy the game and just pushed it to the release binary. Irony aside, why do you persist to try to defend what is indefensible ? I am a .NET developer and the first to acknowledge and evangelize the existence of a new Microsoft. But the way they have turned Windows 10 into a malware is unacceptable. Personally I have made my mind that as soon as .NET Core is mature I am switching to Linux. As much as I like Microsoft I can't accept to run this kind of system, they have crossed a line here.