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You can say it is ad hominem or you can say it is a matter of trust. I don't trust this man or what he says. He has shown himself not to be trustworthy and th

by fnid2 17y ago

You can say it is ad hominem or you can say it is a matter of trust. I don't trust this man or what he says. He has shown himself not to be trustworthy and that is a serious issue of character -- not just some flaw in an argument to be disagreed with. Look, humans can rationalize anything, so the rationality of the argument is less important than the motivations of the person making the arguments. Why are they saying what they are saying? At some point, you have to trust people and when someone justifies ripping off other people in the name of making a successful startup, then every argument after that becomes suspect. He has done just that. Said it is okay to build a business based on ripping people off -- it's not.

messel 17y ago
I have gotten the opposite vibe, that Fred has proven himself as someone I can trust. What makes you think otherwise (I've been reading his blog for a little over a year, and he's remained consistent).
- fnid2 17y ago
  Before zynga was "outted" he lauded them as his best investment. After techcrunch wrote what they did about zynga's business model, he said nothing for a very long time, until one day he was like, "Zynga is a great company, they are awesome and what they are doing is fine as long as they are making money." Well, it's not fine in my opinion and he should have said it wasn't fine and they should have given back all the money they took from customers. Instead, he's excited about making more money by selling zynga to the public or some other member of the startup pyramid scheme.
  - fredwilson 17y ago
    fnid2 - you don't have your facts straight on Zynga read this post and see what really happened. http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2010/03/candid-camera.html http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2010/03/candid-camera.html calling me corrupt is strong language and inaccurate i have a reputation for being honest, respectful, and generous. i have worked for 25 years to build that reputation. i value it more than anything other than my wife and children. it is very hurtful to me to read hateful stuff like you spew out

by fnid2 17y ago

messel 17y ago

I have gotten the opposite vibe, that Fred has proven himself as someone I can trust. What makes you think otherwise (I've been reading his blog for a little over a year, and he's remained consistent).

fnid2 17y ago
Before zynga was "outted" he lauded them as his best investment. After techcrunch wrote what they did about zynga's business model, he said nothing for a very long time, until one day he was like, "Zynga is a great company, they are awesome and what they are doing is fine as long as they are making money." Well, it's not fine in my opinion and he should have said it wasn't fine and they should have given back all the money they took from customers. Instead, he's excited about making more money by selling zynga to the public or some other member of the startup pyramid scheme.
- fredwilson 17y ago
  fnid2 - you don't have your facts straight on Zynga read this post and see what really happened. http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2010/03/candid-camera.html http://www.avc.com/a_vc/2010/03/candid-camera.html calling me corrupt is strong language and inaccurate i have a reputation for being honest, respectful, and generous. i have worked for 25 years to build that reputation. i value it more than anything other than my wife and children. it is very hurtful to me to read hateful stuff like you spew out