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terrible movie, same old plot, bad guy, good guy, bad guy loses to good guy. i played warcraft and warcraft2, but not a lot of wow so perhaps i'm missing somet

terrible movie, same old plot, bad guy, good guy, bad guy loses to good guy. i played warcraft and warcraft2, but not a lot of wow so perhaps i'm missing something. i would say in china, the fascination was more about the hype, most people probably never played any of the blizzard games that went to see the movie

maruhan2 10y ago
That was the worry before even the movie came out. The movie is based off warcraft1, which was literally "orcs came to attack humans" and nothing more. It wasn't until warcraft 3 that they actually tried to describe the motives, but still you can't really change much of what was already made. However, if they manage to make a trilogy, they could utilize the arthras turns to lich king story in warcraft 3, which is much deeper.
- Longhanks 10y ago
  Not to spoil to much, but they changed some things in the movie, and the motives are very well explained. There are Orc protagonists as well.
  - maruhan2 10y ago
    I haven't seen the movie but I have read the synopsis. And those "that changed for the movie" you mention is probably the background information of Warcraft1 that was added as flashback in Warcraft3. However, that was still a patch job for what was already written one dimensionally, hence still rather one dimensional despite the improvement. In short, what I meant as "based off warcraft1" is including the extra information from warcraft3, which understandably is still weak in story.
princeb 10y ago
guessing china didn't grow up with star wars 4-6 or the disney renaissance but they did with WC so this particular IP naturally did better at the theatres
taneq 10y ago
Having played Warcraft 3 and a lot of Wow, and not having seen the movie yet, I have no idea who you think is the good guy and who you think is the bad guy (don't tell me!) So the games, at least, did pretty well IMO to create more complex characters than that. (Alliance thought they were the good guys but were usually racist assholes with anger management issues, Horde were superficially painted as the bad guys but really just wanted to be left alone, and generally behaved well aside from a few very notable exceptions). Also WoW is/was absolutely huge in China and their business model there is different (you pay per hour to play at net cafes rather than buying the game and your own subscription) so there's a good chance that many of the people seeing the movie have at least played some WoW. Edit: Fixed broken grammar.
qihqi 10y ago
Warning: kinda of spoiler At least there are some good guys among the bad and a bad guy among the good; so it adds some drama. Tell me what action/fantasy/sci-fi movie is not good guy vs. bad guy ? More specifically, bad guys have an evil plan to do something destructive, and good guys somehow ruins it. Star War, X men, all the superheros ones, 007, and I can keep name more (at least that is the theme of the individual movies, if not the theme of the whole sequence). The critique Warcraft received most is about the lack of character development; lack of a clear lead actor/actress. In some sense, it is not necessarily a bad thing because it breaks the old "one dude with protagonist aura that never dies" Holywood pattern.
- bsder 10y ago
  > Tell me what action/fantasy/sci-fi movie is not good guy vs. bad guy ? Ice Station Zebra http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063121/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063121/
- JacobJans 10y ago
  One of my favorite sci-fi movies of all time – Gravity – doesn't really have good guys or bad guys; just a crappy situation. For those that haven't seen it, it's pretty much only worth seeing in theaters, in 3D.
- Jtsummers 10y ago
  An old and maybe not terribly popular one is Enemy Mine. There are bad guys, but they're humans, and they only play a role near the end. But they aren't primary to the story. It's mostly a story of two people thrown together in a shitty situation and learning to get along despite their initial hatred for each other. There are lots of scifi movies where the story only barely, rather than primarily, deals with the idea of good guys versus bad guys, if it puts them together directly at all. Moon, The Martian, Gravity are recent ones. Interstellar, in its way. Less true of fantasy which pulls its stories from the idea of grand epics with noble warriors fighting monsters and villains. Action movies without an idea of good guy and bad guy is a challenge. Maybe I'll think of one while I lie in bed tonight but off the top of my head there aren't any occurring to me.
- tamana 10y ago
chillacy 10y ago
> bad guy, good guy, bad guy loses to good guy That's like 99% of all movies. My criticism of the movie has to do with the pacing, acting, and the scope of the movie, but the premise is not too bad. You have Orcs who need to colonize a new world in order to survive (what other choice do they have?), and you have humans who understandably don't want Orcs to start moving in. There are good guys and bad guys on both sides.
- sudhirj 10y ago
  > bad guy, good guy, bad guy loses to good guy SPOILER: This isn't what happens in the movie, btw. The bad guy is still around.

maruhan2 10y ago

That was the worry before even the movie came out. The movie is based off warcraft1, which was literally "orcs came to attack humans" and nothing more. It wasn't until warcraft 3 that they actually tried to describe the motives, but still you can't really change much of what was already made. However, if they manage to make a trilogy, they could utilize the arthras turns to lich king story in warcraft 3, which is much deeper.

Longhanks 10y ago
Not to spoil to much, but they changed some things in the movie, and the motives are very well explained. There are Orc protagonists as well.
- maruhan2 10y ago
  I haven't seen the movie but I have read the synopsis. And those "that changed for the movie" you mention is probably the background information of Warcraft1 that was added as flashback in Warcraft3. However, that was still a patch job for what was already written one dimensionally, hence still rather one dimensional despite the improvement. In short, what I meant as "based off warcraft1" is including the extra information from warcraft3, which understandably is still weak in story.

princeb 10y ago

guessing china didn't grow up with star wars 4-6 or the disney renaissance but they did with WC so this particular IP naturally did better at the theatres

taneq 10y ago

Having played Warcraft 3 and a lot of Wow, and not having seen the movie yet, I have no idea who you think is the good guy and who you think is the bad guy (don't tell me!) So the games, at least, did pretty well IMO to create more complex characters than that. (Alliance thought they were the good guys but were usually racist assholes with anger management issues, Horde were superficially painted as the bad guys but really just wanted to be left alone, and generally behaved well aside from a few very notable exceptions). Also WoW is/was absolutely huge in China and their business model there is different (you pay per hour to play at net cafes rather than buying the game and your own subscription) so there's a good chance that many of the people seeing the movie have at least played some WoW. Edit: Fixed broken grammar.

qihqi 10y ago

Warning: kinda of spoiler At least there are some good guys among the bad and a bad guy among the good; so it adds some drama. Tell me what action/fantasy/sci-fi movie is not good guy vs. bad guy ? More specifically, bad guys have an evil plan to do something destructive, and good guys somehow ruins it. Star War, X men, all the superheros ones, 007, and I can keep name more (at least that is the theme of the individual movies, if not the theme of the whole sequence). The critique Warcraft received most is about the lack of character development; lack of a clear lead actor/actress. In some sense, it is not necessarily a bad thing because it breaks the old "one dude with protagonist aura that never dies" Holywood pattern.

bsder 10y ago
> Tell me what action/fantasy/sci-fi movie is not good guy vs. bad guy ? Ice Station Zebra http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063121/ http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063121/
JacobJans 10y ago
One of my favorite sci-fi movies of all time – Gravity – doesn't really have good guys or bad guys; just a crappy situation. For those that haven't seen it, it's pretty much only worth seeing in theaters, in 3D.
Jtsummers 10y ago
An old and maybe not terribly popular one is Enemy Mine. There are bad guys, but they're humans, and they only play a role near the end. But they aren't primary to the story. It's mostly a story of two people thrown together in a shitty situation and learning to get along despite their initial hatred for each other. There are lots of scifi movies where the story only barely, rather than primarily, deals with the idea of good guys versus bad guys, if it puts them together directly at all. Moon, The Martian, Gravity are recent ones. Interstellar, in its way. Less true of fantasy which pulls its stories from the idea of grand epics with noble warriors fighting monsters and villains. Action movies without an idea of good guy and bad guy is a challenge. Maybe I'll think of one while I lie in bed tonight but off the top of my head there aren't any occurring to me.
tamana 10y ago

chillacy 10y ago

> bad guy, good guy, bad guy loses to good guy That's like 99% of all movies. My criticism of the movie has to do with the pacing, acting, and the scope of the movie, but the premise is not too bad. You have Orcs who need to colonize a new world in order to survive (what other choice do they have?), and you have humans who understandably don't want Orcs to start moving in. There are good guys and bad guys on both sides.

sudhirj 10y ago
> bad guy, good guy, bad guy loses to good guy SPOILER: This isn't what happens in the movie, btw. The bad guy is still around.