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As someone who works in anti-fraud, would you be able to detect someone who was playing manually, but had a bot set up to tell them what to do (and then they wo

by skizm 10y ago

As someone who works in anti-fraud, would you be able to detect someone who was playing manually, but had a bot set up to tell them what to do (and then they would manually input the move)? Is that even illegal or against the rules?

ggggtez 10y ago
Of course it's against the rules. People have done this in casinos with black jack. Definitely not something the casino is going to allow, because they lose the money if the boot plays better than humans.
lettergram 10y ago
You should be able to tell. It's fairly straight forward outlier detection; if someone is doing 20% better than anyone you've seen before you monitor them. If they continue to do better constantly you manually look, then you can either make a choice manually or have a system auto remove them. They may even remove you just because you are costing them too much money (depending how the game is setup).
- frgewut 10y ago
  It should be easy to artificially lower bot's advantage to 1-5%. It still would be profitable, but wouldn't stand out among other players.
doug1001 10y ago
great questions; here's where we drew the line (our Terms of Service (TOS) were fairly standard): it was within the TOS to use a "poker assistant"--an app that worked with the Site client (eg, PokerStars, or in my case, bwin.party)--provided that this app was populated with hand histories that you have personally generated against the opponents you are playing against. In other words, you cannot mine hand histories in bulk, feed them to your "assistant" and then let it tell you how to play. keep in mind also that the whales in online poker are not high stakes players but "grinders"--folks who quit their day job to play a very disciplined style on low-stakes limit tables comprised mostly of beginners, and which requires multi-tabling (maybe 6 - 10 tables at once) 8 hours/day. So against that background, a bot playing 10 tables simultaneously for 10 hours each day, from a distance doesn't look so odd.

by skizm 10y ago

ggggtez 10y ago

Of course it's against the rules. People have done this in casinos with black jack. Definitely not something the casino is going to allow, because they lose the money if the boot plays better than humans.

lettergram 10y ago

You should be able to tell. It's fairly straight forward outlier detection; if someone is doing 20% better than anyone you've seen before you monitor them. If they continue to do better constantly you manually look, then you can either make a choice manually or have a system auto remove them. They may even remove you just because you are costing them too much money (depending how the game is setup).

frgewut 10y ago
It should be easy to artificially lower bot's advantage to 1-5%. It still would be profitable, but wouldn't stand out among other players.

doug1001 10y ago

great questions; here's where we drew the line (our Terms of Service (TOS) were fairly standard): it was within the TOS to use a "poker assistant"--an app that worked with the Site client (eg, PokerStars, or in my case, bwin.party)--provided that this app was populated with hand histories that you have personally generated against the opponents you are playing against. In other words, you cannot mine hand histories in bulk, feed them to your "assistant" and then let it tell you how to play. keep in mind also that the whales in online poker are not high stakes players but "grinders"--folks who quit their day job to play a very disciplined style on low-stakes limit tables comprised mostly of beginners, and which requires multi-tabling (maybe 6 - 10 tables at once) 8 hours/day. So against that background, a bot playing 10 tables simultaneously for 10 hours each day, from a distance doesn't look so odd.