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I guess what I genuinely don't understand is why lists are more harmful to the community than rudeness and vitriol. If I post a question that asks for an opini

by jrumbut 10y ago

I guess what I genuinely don't understand is why lists are more harmful to the community than rudeness and vitriol. If I post a question that asks for an opinion or list, someone will swoop in and edit it or delete it. Why can't we do the same when someone embeds a little bit of professional problem solving with a lot of unprofessional personal attacks?

hackuser 10y ago
> I genuinely don't understand is why lists are more harmful to the community than rudeness and vitriol An excellent question, which leads us to the heart of the matter ...
- jrumbut 10y ago
  I also wonder if there is any connection between the low value put on being polite and welcoming and the struggles to create bring more diversity to our community. StackOverflow is where professional development happens, and so there is some responsibility on them to make sure that development is healthy.
sklivvz1971 10y ago
Thanks for your comment, let me give you more context. > I guess what I genuinely don't understand is why lists are more harmful to the community than rudeness and vitriol. Lists were allowed, turned out to be an unmaintainable mess with our current format, which was sincerely hurting the community. The top voted content was bad content. This in turn primed and encouraged users to post even more bad content. Rudeness and offensive behavior against other users are not tolerated. No ifs and no buts. I might have given you the impression that we allow users to insult each other. We don't. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/240839/the-new-new-be-nice-policy-code-of-conduct-updated-with-your-feedback http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/240839/the-new-new-b... However, unless we put a word filter on any possible bad word, there will always be rough comments. The only thing we can do is ask the users to flag such comments and remove them as appropriate. A user flagged the comment one hour ago and the comment has since been deleted. Read facebook. Read twitter. Stack overflow is not remotely like those places, yet it is one of the top 30 networks in the world by traffic. We heavily moderate rudeness, but we are not going to be able to moderate every opinion that someone is going to find remotely offensive before it offends anyone. What you are expecting is simply not realistic. > If I post a question that asks for an opinion or list, someone will swoop in and edit it or delete it. Why can't we do the same when someone embeds a little bit of professional problem solving with a lot of unprofessional personal attacks? As I said, we do delete such comments, as we did in this case.
- jrumbut 10y ago
  For my own context, I've been a StackOverflow user since the more free-form days. I appreciate the focus on quality, it has created a culture of quality. I think a focus on kindness can similarly create a culture of kindness. I'm not looking for advanced sentiment detection algorithms or even new rules, just a few blog posts and some leadership.

by jrumbut 10y ago

hackuser 10y ago

> I genuinely don't understand is why lists are more harmful to the community than rudeness and vitriol An excellent question, which leads us to the heart of the matter ...

jrumbut 10y ago
I also wonder if there is any connection between the low value put on being polite and welcoming and the struggles to create bring more diversity to our community. StackOverflow is where professional development happens, and so there is some responsibility on them to make sure that development is healthy.

sklivvz1971 10y ago

Thanks for your comment, let me give you more context. > I guess what I genuinely don't understand is why lists are more harmful to the community than rudeness and vitriol. Lists were allowed, turned out to be an unmaintainable mess with our current format, which was sincerely hurting the community. The top voted content was bad content. This in turn primed and encouraged users to post even more bad content. Rudeness and offensive behavior against other users are not tolerated. No ifs and no buts. I might have given you the impression that we allow users to insult each other. We don't. http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/240839/the-new-new-be-nice-policy-code-of-conduct-updated-with-your-feedback http://meta.stackexchange.com/questions/240839/the-new-new-b... However, unless we put a word filter on any possible bad word, there will always be rough comments. The only thing we can do is ask the users to flag such comments and remove them as appropriate. A user flagged the comment one hour ago and the comment has since been deleted. Read facebook. Read twitter. Stack overflow is not remotely like those places, yet it is one of the top 30 networks in the world by traffic. We heavily moderate rudeness, but we are not going to be able to moderate every opinion that someone is going to find remotely offensive before it offends anyone. What you are expecting is simply not realistic. > If I post a question that asks for an opinion or list, someone will swoop in and edit it or delete it. Why can't we do the same when someone embeds a little bit of professional problem solving with a lot of unprofessional personal attacks? As I said, we do delete such comments, as we did in this case.

jrumbut 10y ago
For my own context, I've been a StackOverflow user since the more free-form days. I appreciate the focus on quality, it has created a culture of quality. I think a focus on kindness can similarly create a culture of kindness. I'm not looking for advanced sentiment detection algorithms or even new rules, just a few blog posts and some leadership.