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I can only speak from the POV of my country (left unnamed), but I encourage anyone wanting truly interesting work to apply to your country's SIGINT agency. Only

I can only speak from the POV of my country (left unnamed), but I encourage anyone wanting truly interesting work to apply to your country's SIGINT agency. Only there will you find real answers.

pjc50 10y ago
Only there will you find real answers .. which it's illegal to tell anyone else. And if you find evidence of abuse the only way you can do anything about it is to flee to a country from which you can't be extradited. This is why we can't have a discussion about this and as much as possible needs to be moved from "intelligence" (secret, unaccountable) to "evidence" in courts. The only sensible answer to "how many terrorist plots have been prevented" should be a count of convictions.
- jonnybgood 10y ago
  > And if you find evidence of abuse the only way you can do anything about it is to flee to a country from which you can't be extradited. Not true. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelli...
  - barry-cotter 10y ago
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake At the July sentencing hearing the presiding judge, Richard D. Bennett of the Federal District Court, issued harsh words for the government, saying that it was "unconscionable" to charge a defendant with a list of serious crimes that could have resulted in 35 years in prison only to drop all of the major charges on the eve of trial.[61] The judge also rejected the government's request for a large fine noting that Drake had been financially devastated, losing his $154,600 job at the NSA and his pension.
  - spangry 10y ago
    Yeah as long as you're willing to lose your job, shutter your business and have the FBI confiscate all your computer equipment in a pre-dawn, guns drawn raid of your home. Sounds so easy.

I can only speak from the POV of my country (left unnamed), but I encourage anyone wanting truly interesting work to apply to your country's SIGINT agency. Only there will you find real answers.

pjc50 10y ago

Only there will you find real answers .. which it's illegal to tell anyone else. And if you find evidence of abuse the only way you can do anything about it is to flee to a country from which you can't be extradited. This is why we can't have a discussion about this and as much as possible needs to be moved from "intelligence" (secret, unaccountable) to "evidence" in courts. The only sensible answer to "how many terrorist plots have been prevented" should be a count of convictions.

jonnybgood 10y ago
> And if you find evidence of abuse the only way you can do anything about it is to flee to a country from which you can't be extradited. Not true. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelligence_official) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Binney_(U.S._intelli...
- barry-cotter 10y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Andrews_Drake At the July sentencing hearing the presiding judge, Richard D. Bennett of the Federal District Court, issued harsh words for the government, saying that it was "unconscionable" to charge a defendant with a list of serious crimes that could have resulted in 35 years in prison only to drop all of the major charges on the eve of trial.[61] The judge also rejected the government's request for a large fine noting that Drake had been financially devastated, losing his $154,600 job at the NSA and his pension.
- spangry 10y ago
  Yeah as long as you're willing to lose your job, shutter your business and have the FBI confiscate all your computer equipment in a pre-dawn, guns drawn raid of your home. Sounds so easy.