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Their reading of that quote is extremely strange. All that quote says is "you won't sue us for your use of AWS, or claim you own AWS's IP." Seems like a standa

Their reading of that quote is extremely strange. All that quote says is "you won't sue us for your use of AWS, or claim you own AWS's IP." Seems like a standard and obvious clause. I don't see where it says: > With this clause, Amazon could quite literally copy any of it's customers' software, and their brands, that Amazon hosts on and displays from its servers, fold that into its Amazon Web Services offering, and call it a day. What? That isn't what it says at all. In fact it limits the scope of the claim to "Service Offerings" which is rigidly defined. The author seems to be struggling to read legalese and is misinterpreting it.

bkanber 10y ago
I think the author is making the claim that AWS could add any new product to their Service Offerings at any time (they can) and that Amazon _could_ clone a customer's IP and add it as a Service Offering on AWS, and this clause would prevent the customer from suing. I also disagree that this is the correct interpretation, or that this is an issue at all, but I believe that's the author's reading.
- JustSomeNobody 10y ago
  Well, isn't there some precedent? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11533973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11533973
  - an_account 10y ago
    That's not precedent because they aren't cloning products that are patented and they aren't cloning IP. All they're doing in that case is making a competitive product.
    - JustSomeNobody 10y ago
      Agreed, but sure is ruffling feathers. And makes them seem not very trustworthy.
koide 10y ago
It amazes me how can people stop thinking before writing. Even if it actually said that, which it doesn't, how could Amazon actually steal the code and brand from one customer and retain the rest of their customers afterwards?
- snorkel 10y ago
  Exactly. This blog post is like saying "Don't eat at this restaurant because the bathroom sign says "Employees must wash hands" which means the waiters can throw hot soup in your face, and there's nothing you can do about it! Stay away!"
Veratyr 10y ago
The problem is when AWS uses your IP in one of its services. Since you've agreed not to assert your patents or IP rights against AWS, if they were to take your IP and integrate it into their "service offerings", you have no recourse.
- spdustin 10y ago
  "...we obtain no rights under this Agreement from you our your licensors to Your Content, including intellectual property rights..." So yeah, it's a problem when they do that, because they affirmatively stated they won't, and there isn't a judge on the bench, even in east Texas, who would suggest otherwise.

bkanber 10y ago

I think the author is making the claim that AWS could add any new product to their Service Offerings at any time (they can) and that Amazon _could_ clone a customer's IP and add it as a Service Offering on AWS, and this clause would prevent the customer from suing. I also disagree that this is the correct interpretation, or that this is an issue at all, but I believe that's the author's reading.

JustSomeNobody 10y ago
Well, isn't there some precedent? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11533973 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11533973
- an_account 10y ago
  That's not precedent because they aren't cloning products that are patented and they aren't cloning IP. All they're doing in that case is making a competitive product.
  - JustSomeNobody 10y ago
    Agreed, but sure is ruffling feathers. And makes them seem not very trustworthy.

koide 10y ago

It amazes me how can people stop thinking before writing. Even if it actually said that, which it doesn't, how could Amazon actually steal the code and brand from one customer and retain the rest of their customers afterwards?

snorkel 10y ago
Exactly. This blog post is like saying "Don't eat at this restaurant because the bathroom sign says "Employees must wash hands" which means the waiters can throw hot soup in your face, and there's nothing you can do about it! Stay away!"

Veratyr 10y ago

The problem is when AWS uses your IP in one of its services. Since you've agreed not to assert your patents or IP rights against AWS, if they were to take your IP and integrate it into their "service offerings", you have no recourse.

spdustin 10y ago
"...we obtain no rights under this Agreement from you our your licensors to Your Content, including intellectual property rights..." So yeah, it's a problem when they do that, because they affirmatively stated they won't, and there isn't a judge on the bench, even in east Texas, who would suggest otherwise.