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Shooting at Orlando Nightclub Kills About 20, Police Say

53 points by craigc 10y ago

Brandanna 10y ago
Seeing as more gun control will only serve to get Trump elected, why not have an "Arm The LGBTQ" movement? If one of them had a gun, this probably would've been avoided. (a LGBTQ gun owner/NRA member. Yes, we exist.)
ck2 10y ago
The number was updated to an even more horrifying 50 dead and 53 injured, some critically. Worst mass-shooting in American history.
k-mcgrady 10y ago
It's been updated to fifty making it the worst mass shooting in US history [1]. [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36512308 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36512308
- iofj 10y ago
  More updates: It was a gay/LGBT nightclub 53 Dead, 40 or so wounded. Perpetrator is "Omar Mir Seddique Mateen" [1], born in US to Afghan immigrant parents. He was killed by the police. Apparently he was a security officer and had a firearms license because of that [5]. "We do have suggestions that that individual may have leanings towards that, that particular ideology [Islamic extremism]. But right now we can’t say definitively, so we’re still running everything around," (quote from article). [2] If you're in Orlando and wonder how you can help: give blood, especiall O+, O- and AB, at "Oneblood" (2 locations currently open) [3] Situation ended because police went in. One officer was apparently shot in the head. [4] [1] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36512308 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36512308 [2] http://abcnews.go.com/US/omar-mateen-suspected-orlando-night-club-shooter/story?id=39790797 http://abcnews.go.com/US/omar-mateen-suspected-orlando-night... [3] https://twitter.com/AltPress/status/742004240176975873 https://twitter.com/AltPress/status/742004240176975873 [4] http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/orlando-nightclub-shooting-emergency-services-respond-reports-gunman-n590446 http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/... [5] https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/741997301657440256 https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/741997301657440256
  - Criticism123 10y ago
    The shooter was an registered democrat[1], Muslim and his father said that his son got "angry" when he saw two men kissing[2]. So it's OK now, just a cultural misunderstanding. Islam is religion of peace. [1] http://voters.findthedata.com/l/28019600/Omar-Mir-Seddique- http://voters.findthedata.com/l/28019600/Omar-Mir-Seddique- Mateen [2] https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/742007747349188608 https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/742007747349188608
spriggan3 10y ago
This is a horrible news but there is no way this kind of thread won't derail. No matter what people think of the situation, this is a huge tragedy, which reminds me what my country lived the 13 of November 2015. I just want to send my thoughts to my fellows Americans friends and the gay community in Orlando. I'll leave it there.
cuckold 10y ago
And people ask why we still need Pride events. THIS is precisely why we still need pride.
- k-mcgrady 10y ago
  Has there been any indication that this was a homophobic related crime? I haven't seen any yet.
  - s_kilk 10y ago
    Until we get more on the shooters motives it's hard to tell. However, a mass shooting specifically targeting an LGBT club seems unlikely to be coincidental.
  - DanBC 10y ago
    The father claimed the murderer was violently homophobic.
- spriggan3 10y ago
  It was a terrorist attack, Pride events won't change a damn thing about it.
lossolo 10y ago
nvm..
- tzs 10y ago
  Comments of the form "My country doesn't have this problem that yours does" or variants are generally annoying and useless when they do not name the country.
  - deleted 10y ago
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  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Also sadly it boils down to "My country doesn't have this problem, yet".
bitshiftthis 10y ago
Good job muslims, ya fucked up again. Now we're going to have another 10 years of racism. Fuck me.
ck2 10y ago
Was this removed from the front page? So news about Prince dying from overdose is okay but 50+ people shot to death is not okay?
- bryanlarsen 10y ago
  Lots of people have clicked 'flag', presumably. There's absolutely no way that the comments here will be productive and not derail, so people have flagged it. It's almost impossible that anybody with an internet connection will miss this news, so it doesn't need to be here, either.
  - ck2 10y ago
    This is the thing though, it has also been removed from Reddit ! Think about that. If comments are a problem, then lock it for comments and only allow voting. But censoring out important news is a huge problem. Well then I expect all breaking news to be deleted from HN, and I mean all of it. You can't take the largest mass killing on American soil since 9/11 and simply censor it out because it is a hassle.
    - k-mcgrady 10y ago
      >> "But censoring out important news is a huge problem." People aren't coming to HN for actual news stories. It's not like they won't see this story somewhere else within minutes. Considering who quickly comments here descend into madness on any story involving terrorism or guns it's for the best it was flagged. And locking the comments on HN seems pointless as they're the main reason people are here.
- dang 10y ago
  Users are flagging these stories. They flagged the Prince stories too. This is all in keeping with the HN guidelines: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. [...] If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. The exceptions, of course, would be stories that also gratify intellectual curiosity. That's sadly not the case here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

53 points by craigc 10y ago

Seeing as more gun control will only serve to get Trump elected, why not have an "Arm The LGBTQ" movement? If one of them had a gun, this probably would've been avoided. (a LGBTQ gun owner/NRA member. Yes, we exist.)

ck2 10y ago

The number was updated to an even more horrifying 50 dead and 53 injured, some critically. Worst mass-shooting in American history.

k-mcgrady 10y ago

It's been updated to fifty making it the worst mass shooting in US history [1]. [1] http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36512308 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-36512308

iofj 10y ago
More updates: It was a gay/LGBT nightclub 53 Dead, 40 or so wounded. Perpetrator is "Omar Mir Seddique Mateen" [1], born in US to Afghan immigrant parents. He was killed by the police. Apparently he was a security officer and had a firearms license because of that [5]. "We do have suggestions that that individual may have leanings towards that, that particular ideology [Islamic extremism]. But right now we can’t say definitively, so we’re still running everything around," (quote from article). [2] If you're in Orlando and wonder how you can help: give blood, especiall O+, O- and AB, at "Oneblood" (2 locations currently open) [3] Situation ended because police went in. One officer was apparently shot in the head. [4] [1] http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36512308 http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-36512308 [2] http://abcnews.go.com/US/omar-mateen-suspected-orlando-night-club-shooter/story?id=39790797 http://abcnews.go.com/US/omar-mateen-suspected-orlando-night... [3] https://twitter.com/AltPress/status/742004240176975873 https://twitter.com/AltPress/status/742004240176975873 [4] http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/orlando-nightclub-shooting-emergency-services-respond-reports-gunman-n590446 http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/... [5] https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/741997301657440256 https://twitter.com/BraddJaffy/status/741997301657440256
- Criticism123 10y ago
  The shooter was an registered democrat[1], Muslim and his father said that his son got "angry" when he saw two men kissing[2]. So it's OK now, just a cultural misunderstanding. Islam is religion of peace. [1] http://voters.findthedata.com/l/28019600/Omar-Mir-Seddique- http://voters.findthedata.com/l/28019600/Omar-Mir-Seddique- Mateen [2] https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/742007747349188608 https://twitter.com/BuzzFeedNews/status/742007747349188608

spriggan3 10y ago

This is a horrible news but there is no way this kind of thread won't derail. No matter what people think of the situation, this is a huge tragedy, which reminds me what my country lived the 13 of November 2015. I just want to send my thoughts to my fellows Americans friends and the gay community in Orlando. I'll leave it there.

cuckold 10y ago

And people ask why we still need Pride events. THIS is precisely why we still need pride.

k-mcgrady 10y ago
Has there been any indication that this was a homophobic related crime? I haven't seen any yet.
- s_kilk 10y ago
  Until we get more on the shooters motives it's hard to tell. However, a mass shooting specifically targeting an LGBT club seems unlikely to be coincidental.
- DanBC 10y ago
  The father claimed the murderer was violently homophobic.
spriggan3 10y ago
It was a terrorist attack, Pride events won't change a damn thing about it.

lossolo 10y ago

nvm..

tzs 10y ago
Comments of the form "My country doesn't have this problem that yours does" or variants are generally annoying and useless when they do not name the country.
- deleted 10y ago
  [deleted]
- dogma1138 10y ago
  Also sadly it boils down to "My country doesn't have this problem, yet".

bitshiftthis 10y ago

Good job muslims, ya fucked up again. Now we're going to have another 10 years of racism. Fuck me.

ck2 10y ago

Was this removed from the front page? So news about Prince dying from overdose is okay but 50+ people shot to death is not okay?

bryanlarsen 10y ago
Lots of people have clicked 'flag', presumably. There's absolutely no way that the comments here will be productive and not derail, so people have flagged it. It's almost impossible that anybody with an internet connection will miss this news, so it doesn't need to be here, either.
- ck2 10y ago
  This is the thing though, it has also been removed from Reddit ! Think about that. If comments are a problem, then lock it for comments and only allow voting. But censoring out important news is a huge problem. Well then I expect all breaking news to be deleted from HN, and I mean all of it. You can't take the largest mass killing on American soil since 9/11 and simply censor it out because it is a hassle.
  - k-mcgrady 10y ago
    >> "But censoring out important news is a huge problem." People aren't coming to HN for actual news stories. It's not like they won't see this story somewhere else within minutes. Considering who quickly comments here descend into madness on any story involving terrorism or guns it's for the best it was flagged. And locking the comments on HN seems pointless as they're the main reason people are here.
dang 10y ago
Users are flagging these stories. They flagged the Prince stories too. This is all in keeping with the HN guidelines: Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. [...] If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. The exceptions, of course, would be stories that also gratify intellectual curiosity. That's sadly not the case here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html