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Peer review is done for free yes, but you also need to manage that process and there's a filtering step before you send things to peer review. Then there are ch

by IanCal 10y ago

Peer review is done for free yes, but you also need to manage that process and there's a filtering step before you send things to peer review. Then there are checks like someone going through the references and making sure they're all there, that dois are assigned and assigned correctly, etc. There's the software for managing all this process too, and then all the extra cost around hiring people like management, HR, office space, etc. You can look at all of these and say "yes but that's not hard it's just..." but the fact is someone does work and that'll need to be paid for, so there is some cost. Often only papers that are accepted actually pay the cost, so they're effectively paying for all the work done on papers that don't make the final cut. Nature, if I remember the figures right, accept about 5% of submissions. So for every paper, there's a certain amount of work that needs to be done on 19 others. I'm not justifying any particular cost, but it'd be worth looking at PLOS and their fees as they're a non-profit. > SciHub is $5,000/mo to operate if all one does is provide a collection of papers. Is it reasonable to put the cost of running a publication at near or under one FTE? You'd at least have to do more if you had search and weren't just piggybacking on google scholar.

nickpsecurity 10y ago
"Is it reasonable to put the cost of running a publication at near or under one FTE? You'd at least have to do more if you had search and weren't just piggybacking on google scholar." Where did you find they're just piggybacking on Google Scholar? I know nothing of the implementation outside what she spends for a specific amount of papers. "Is it reasonable to put the cost of running a publication at near or under one FTE? You'd at least have to do more if you had search and weren't just piggybacking on google scholar." Oh yeah, I agree. A survey of many looking at various attributes with associated costs is probably in order to help establish a baseline when predicting costs of larger activities.
- IanCal 10y ago
  Ah search appears to be down, and possibly since Feb. Most news articles talked about them using google scholar and I'm sure I remember using it and it taking me to a google scholar page but with altered hyperlinks. If you search around you'll find other people describing something similar. I assumed it was still like that but apparently google have blocked them [0] > Oh yeah, I agree. A survey of many looking at various attributes with associated costs is probably in order to help establish a baseline when predicting costs of larger activities. Yeah it'd be very interesting to know how much something like this might cost. PubMed might be a good analogy, if there was an EU or worldwide version run like that which had proper backups, etc that'd be very interesting. [0] http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/a-pirate-bay-for-science http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/a-pirate-bay-for-science

by IanCal 10y ago

nickpsecurity 10y ago

"Is it reasonable to put the cost of running a publication at near or under one FTE? You'd at least have to do more if you had search and weren't just piggybacking on google scholar." Where did you find they're just piggybacking on Google Scholar? I know nothing of the implementation outside what she spends for a specific amount of papers. "Is it reasonable to put the cost of running a publication at near or under one FTE? You'd at least have to do more if you had search and weren't just piggybacking on google scholar." Oh yeah, I agree. A survey of many looking at various attributes with associated costs is probably in order to help establish a baseline when predicting costs of larger activities.

IanCal 10y ago
Ah search appears to be down, and possibly since Feb. Most news articles talked about them using google scholar and I'm sure I remember using it and it taking me to a google scholar page but with altered hyperlinks. If you search around you'll find other people describing something similar. I assumed it was still like that but apparently google have blocked them [0] > Oh yeah, I agree. A survey of many looking at various attributes with associated costs is probably in order to help establish a baseline when predicting costs of larger activities. Yeah it'd be very interesting to know how much something like this might cost. PubMed might be a good analogy, if there was an EU or worldwide version run like that which had proper backups, etc that'd be very interesting. [0] http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/a-pirate-bay-for-science http://bigthink.com/neurobonkers/a-pirate-bay-for-science