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> He also points out that doing a task that a machine or computer do is pointless. This is true for some tasks - but not true for others, even if AI could in t

> He also points out that doing a task that a machine or computer do is pointless. This is true for some tasks - but not true for others, even if AI could in theory do them better. For example, a medical doctor. It is easy to see this as just a job, but it's so much more than that - it's the culmination of 20 years of studies, a childhood dream, the feeling of being important and useful to society, the "thank you" from the patient, the social circle, the social status... There are many people who actually enjoy their jobs, because it gives them meaning and satisfaction. Another example - musicians. I see so many "AI composer" projects out there - algorithms which compose music... I think these people are kind of missing the point .. It's easy to see music as notes and tempo, but it is much more than that. It is a medium, a tool, through which the listener can connect to the artist and experience his emotional state: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kPXw6YaCEY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1kPXw6YaCEY Having an algorithm on the other side feels so fake.. artificial..

armitron 10y ago
Only because your mental map is old, archaic and will not allow you to see things any other way. So what is the right course according to you? Do we set an artificial threshold at some point in the future, where these jobs will be swapped to AI? Do we simply never replace them with AI? Do we slow progress in order to cater to people's obsolete expectations (don't want to hurt their feelings after all). No. Problems will appear and we will solve them. It is our duty to the universe, to ride the wave and see it all the way through. EDIT: Virtual Reality will solve a lot of the "meaning of life/emotional satisfaction" issues that creep up. And VR is getting a jump .... right about now. It's quite amusing, just thinking about the timing.
- justsaysmthng 10y ago
  > Only because your mental map is old, archaic and will not allow you to see things any other way. I've done my fair share of acid and mushroom trips, explored the DMT hyperspace dozens of times, travelled through time and space into alternate realities, met and communicated with biological and machine beings and have thoroughly explored our planet. My mind is wide open :) Since you mentioned the Universe, then it would help to remember that in "galactic" terms, we've just climbed down from the trees a couple of hundred thousand years ago and our technology is still extremely primitive and it is not at all a proven fact that we can survive it. More down to Earth, what I suggested in the parent post is that people who are bringing this technology forward should also be the people who come up with the political and social proposals for changes necessary to accommodate it. We can't just unleash these "technological atomic bombs", which fundamentally change the social game and then expect the politicians to handle the fallout. Tech people and scientists need not stay on the sidelines any more - they must be the designers not only of technology, but of the social system too, since the two are merging anyway... Of course this can't be "enforced", rather, it's an ethical thing to do on the part of tech companies, justified by the fact that deep down, our motivation is to make the world "better".
  - armitron 10y ago
    Yes and this will without a doubt take place too. In fact, some would say it's already happening. My point is that the process, if we might call it that, will be osmotic and not discrete. Of course there is also the notion of people believing that there is a layer of central planning somewhere and that "we" (groups, organizations, nation states) actually have high-level organizational control over what is happening.. Watching Taleb talk about tail events will quickly put these notions to the ground. We shouldn't waste time inventing such control when there is none or even inventing the illusion that such control will be effective. All we can do, I feel, is guide.

armitron 10y ago

Only because your mental map is old, archaic and will not allow you to see things any other way. So what is the right course according to you? Do we set an artificial threshold at some point in the future, where these jobs will be swapped to AI? Do we simply never replace them with AI? Do we slow progress in order to cater to people's obsolete expectations (don't want to hurt their feelings after all). No. Problems will appear and we will solve them. It is our duty to the universe, to ride the wave and see it all the way through. EDIT: Virtual Reality will solve a lot of the "meaning of life/emotional satisfaction" issues that creep up. And VR is getting a jump .... right about now. It's quite amusing, just thinking about the timing.

justsaysmthng 10y ago
> Only because your mental map is old, archaic and will not allow you to see things any other way. I've done my fair share of acid and mushroom trips, explored the DMT hyperspace dozens of times, travelled through time and space into alternate realities, met and communicated with biological and machine beings and have thoroughly explored our planet. My mind is wide open :) Since you mentioned the Universe, then it would help to remember that in "galactic" terms, we've just climbed down from the trees a couple of hundred thousand years ago and our technology is still extremely primitive and it is not at all a proven fact that we can survive it. More down to Earth, what I suggested in the parent post is that people who are bringing this technology forward should also be the people who come up with the political and social proposals for changes necessary to accommodate it. We can't just unleash these "technological atomic bombs", which fundamentally change the social game and then expect the politicians to handle the fallout. Tech people and scientists need not stay on the sidelines any more - they must be the designers not only of technology, but of the social system too, since the two are merging anyway... Of course this can't be "enforced", rather, it's an ethical thing to do on the part of tech companies, justified by the fact that deep down, our motivation is to make the world "better".
- armitron 10y ago
  Yes and this will without a doubt take place too. In fact, some would say it's already happening. My point is that the process, if we might call it that, will be osmotic and not discrete. Of course there is also the notion of people believing that there is a layer of central planning somewhere and that "we" (groups, organizations, nation states) actually have high-level organizational control over what is happening.. Watching Taleb talk about tail events will quickly put these notions to the ground. We shouldn't waste time inventing such control when there is none or even inventing the illusion that such control will be effective. All we can do, I feel, is guide.