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Wait til TTIP and TPP becomes law. Times are good now, but once hilary gets elected and these "free" trade agreements gets signed, the monied masters will immed

Wait til TTIP and TPP becomes law. Times are good now, but once hilary gets elected and these "free" trade agreements gets signed, the monied masters will immediately raise interest rates and cause a recession which will give cover for businesses to lay off a large swathe of workers ( this time its going to be IT/developers/tech workers who are going to face the brunt of it ) and offshore a lot of these jobs. H1B is a significant problem, but so is offshoring. From a business point of view, the cost savings are too immense to ignore. If you can pay a foreigner $5K to do something an american workers does for $50K and pocket the $45K annual difference, it's a no-brainer to corporate executives. The shareholders will benefits and the C-Suite will benefit, the workers will suffer. There is a reason why the leftist and rightist establishment are working so hard to get hilary elected. The amount of pro-Hilary propaganda on NPR, NYTimes, LATimes, etc was nearly unbearable while she was fighting against Sanders. Now that Sanders is done, I might have to stop consuming these media for the next few months. As much as we like to pretend, there isn't two parties. There is one party ( the elite ), that control both parties to gives an illusion of choice. Even the republican establishment are trying to undermine Trump to give Hilary the presidency. Complete protectionism/isolation isn't a good thing. But extreme liberal trade policies aren't a good thing either. Thought maybe Trump will get the nod and push policies towards the center, but there is too much money at stake for the elite so they are going to force hilary, TTIP, TPP, etc on us no matter what. We are going to replace one corrupt chicago politician with another.

nickysielicki 10y ago
I think that a reasonable person could disagree with what you're saying here, but I don't think that justifies the downvotes. Your comment is reasoned and mostly uninflammatory, albeit considered a little "out-there" by most people. In the back of my mind, I tend to agree with much of what you say here. > Complete protectionism/isolation isn't a good thing. But extreme liberal trade policies aren't a good thing either. I'm just trying to figure out how we got into this bizarro world where being supportive of a trade policies with your 12 closest allies, notably leaving out the two countries with the second and third largest economies (and growing rapidly), earns you the label of being "pro-trade". How the hell did that become our idea of a non-isolationist trade policy? It's the antithesis of free trade, particularly when you look 10 or 20 years forward and realize this treaty is (effectively) disincentivizing trade with what will be the two largest economies.
douche 10y ago
Assuming the off-shore worker is 10% as effective as the on-shore worker, which, I'll be blunt, I'm not so sure about considering the anecdata I've amassed over the years working with some of these outsourcing body shops, like Tata, HCL, Cognizant, Infosys, etc.
- jarsin 10y ago
  I have always wondered why nobody ever talks about this. Outsourcing, even to US run companies, you are looking at a massive efficency hit. Always makes me wonder if these companies even need an IT staff at all because once they outsource almost nothing ever gets done.
- Idontreddit 10y ago
  If you think the off-shore worker is 10% as effective, then you are either over-valuing "on-shore" worker or under-valuing the off-shore worker. >I'm not so sure about considering the anecdata I've amassed over the years working with some of these outsourcing body shops, like Tata, HCL, Cognizant, Infosys, etc. They may be awful, but anecdotal evidence is that "on-shore" workers are awful as well. Only time will tell. People used to say the exact same thing about manufacturing. Off-shore workers aren't as good as on-shore workers. Turns out, they were wrong.
solipsism 10y ago
We are going to replace one corrupt chicago politician with another Emanuel for president 2020, let's make it a hat trick.
hiou 10y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing

nickysielicki 10y ago

I think that a reasonable person could disagree with what you're saying here, but I don't think that justifies the downvotes. Your comment is reasoned and mostly uninflammatory, albeit considered a little "out-there" by most people. In the back of my mind, I tend to agree with much of what you say here. > Complete protectionism/isolation isn't a good thing. But extreme liberal trade policies aren't a good thing either. I'm just trying to figure out how we got into this bizarro world where being supportive of a trade policies with your 12 closest allies, notably leaving out the two countries with the second and third largest economies (and growing rapidly), earns you the label of being "pro-trade". How the hell did that become our idea of a non-isolationist trade policy? It's the antithesis of free trade, particularly when you look 10 or 20 years forward and realize this treaty is (effectively) disincentivizing trade with what will be the two largest economies.

douche 10y ago

Assuming the off-shore worker is 10% as effective as the on-shore worker, which, I'll be blunt, I'm not so sure about considering the anecdata I've amassed over the years working with some of these outsourcing body shops, like Tata, HCL, Cognizant, Infosys, etc.

jarsin 10y ago
I have always wondered why nobody ever talks about this. Outsourcing, even to US run companies, you are looking at a massive efficency hit. Always makes me wonder if these companies even need an IT staff at all because once they outsource almost nothing ever gets done.
Idontreddit 10y ago
If you think the off-shore worker is 10% as effective, then you are either over-valuing "on-shore" worker or under-valuing the off-shore worker. >I'm not so sure about considering the anecdata I've amassed over the years working with some of these outsourcing body shops, like Tata, HCL, Cognizant, Infosys, etc. They may be awful, but anecdotal evidence is that "on-shore" workers are awful as well. Only time will tell. People used to say the exact same thing about manufacturing. Off-shore workers aren't as good as on-shore workers. Turns out, they were wrong.

solipsism 10y ago

We are going to replace one corrupt chicago politician with another Emanuel for president 2020, let's make it a hat trick.

hiou 10y ago

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astroturfing