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Seems like an awful lot of the 'internet hate speech' cliches in one long article here. Talk about Bernie Bros, about right wing extremism, about Twitter not en

by CM30 10y ago

Seems like an awful lot of the 'internet hate speech' cliches in one long article here. Talk about Bernie Bros, about right wing extremism, about Twitter not enforcing its rules, etc. All it needed were some calls to 'censor' the internet, and it'd have been perfect. Not saying there aren't horrible people on Twitter and other social networks, and that personal attacks don't happen, but it's been a somewhat tired subject for articles recently and pushed like its the end of the world by the press.

__derek__ 10y ago
I don't think we read the same piece. This one focused on the rampant anti-Semitism and racism that Twitter's been loath/unable to limit, contrary to its own TOS.
- Idontreddit 10y ago
  Anti-semitism and racist speech is free speech. Hate speech is free speech. If we are going to censor "hate speech", then we would have to ban atheist speech for being hateful to the religious or pro-gay speech for being hateful to traditionalists. Is that the kind of world you want to live in? Considering how much power social media organizations have, do you really want such companies to control speech? Rather than shutdown free speech, I'd rather the NYTimes be shut down.
  - __derek__ 10y ago
    This is completely non sequitur, with a contradictory closing flourish to boot.
- vonklaus 10y ago
  I said this below but I'll say it again, race & ethnicity don't matter. This was anti-semetic because the author is jewish, just like it would be anti-muslim, pro feminism, anti-feminism ect. It's like the scene in fight club where they screen recruits. So declaring you are mad because people said mean things to you on the internet on a platform that is going through very public growing pains is stupid, boring and old. Godwin's law was frim bbs i think. The point is that you dont feed trolls because thats what they want.
  - __derek__ 10y ago
    No, this was anti-Semitic regardless of the target, just as misogynistic insults hurled at me remain misogynistic (I identify as male). For that matter, there are plenty of people who consider accepting abuse on the internet to be passé. Maybe trolls do want people to get mad, and this counts as "feeding them," but trying to shine a light on the problem at least has the potential to make it clear those who have been bullied into submission that somebody cares. Being silent and ceding ground in the name of Don't Feed the Trolls normalizes these people's destructive behavior.
Shivetya 10y ago
I thought it was just the beginning of the war on women seeing who she is associated with and the timing of her story. the issue with defining hate is that it is a lot of times audience specific and to be honest, if you want your safe space the internet is the last place you will find it.

by CM30 10y ago

__derek__ 10y ago

I don't think we read the same piece. This one focused on the rampant anti-Semitism and racism that Twitter's been loath/unable to limit, contrary to its own TOS.

Idontreddit 10y ago
Anti-semitism and racist speech is free speech. Hate speech is free speech. If we are going to censor "hate speech", then we would have to ban atheist speech for being hateful to the religious or pro-gay speech for being hateful to traditionalists. Is that the kind of world you want to live in? Considering how much power social media organizations have, do you really want such companies to control speech? Rather than shutdown free speech, I'd rather the NYTimes be shut down.
- __derek__ 10y ago
  This is completely non sequitur, with a contradictory closing flourish to boot.
vonklaus 10y ago
I said this below but I'll say it again, race & ethnicity don't matter. This was anti-semetic because the author is jewish, just like it would be anti-muslim, pro feminism, anti-feminism ect. It's like the scene in fight club where they screen recruits. So declaring you are mad because people said mean things to you on the internet on a platform that is going through very public growing pains is stupid, boring and old. Godwin's law was frim bbs i think. The point is that you dont feed trolls because thats what they want.
- __derek__ 10y ago
  No, this was anti-Semitic regardless of the target, just as misogynistic insults hurled at me remain misogynistic (I identify as male). For that matter, there are plenty of people who consider accepting abuse on the internet to be passé. Maybe trolls do want people to get mad, and this counts as "feeding them," but trying to shine a light on the problem at least has the potential to make it clear those who have been bullied into submission that somebody cares. Being silent and ceding ground in the name of Don't Feed the Trolls normalizes these people's destructive behavior.

Shivetya 10y ago

I thought it was just the beginning of the war on women seeing who she is associated with and the timing of her story. the issue with defining hate is that it is a lot of times audience specific and to be honest, if you want your safe space the internet is the last place you will find it.