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Hello, in my case (I wrote the original comment) most men I work with are totally chill and just like you. Unfortunately, I'd say 1/20-30 guys I work with are
by usmeteora 10y ago
Hello, in my case (I wrote the original comment) most men I work with are totally chill and just like you.
Unfortunately, I'd say 1/20-30 guys I work with are going to make a pass at me, or make me feel uncomfortable. Alot of this is encouraged r discouraged based on the culture of the workplace.
In general, I get along with my male coworkers, and I loathe getting special treatment or being given breaks because I'm a girl so I agree with you, you don't need to do anything extra beyond what you normally do.
Unfortunately, not everyone is as awesome as you. It's more just that statistically if females are a minority, and the culture of the workplace allows it, it's likely you might get hit on, and it's possible the female coworkers you hung out with may have gotten hit on inappropriately at work and just never talked to you about it. For sure, none of the guys I worked with who were cool with me knew what I went through.
Same as you, I started in semiconductor. 95% of the guys were totally chill and we worked and ate together etc etc. I did however, get asked out on dinner and dates by four married men in my two years working then, who then avoided me and refused to even do necessary job place coordination with me on daily tasks after I turned them down, making my job harder for me.
The team was 114 people, 6 women, all of us 20 yrs younger than the average age of the men. SO that means 108 of the men were totally awesome, and 4 of them sucked. This is not all that I went through, just a PG version but in general, I'm making the point on average and most men are not like that, instead of trying to hone in on the few bad outlier scenarios I had to encounter.
I definitely don't want these conversations to make men like you feel you are not doing enough. On the contrary, need more men like you that DON"T feel the need to treat us any differently, because thats what we want, atleast for me.
- ci5er 10y agoI'm not awesome and chill -- I'm just old. And I am very very afraid that the rules are changing under my feet and I don't have a handbook. I don't even know how to count teams that large -- I suspect the way I process "team" and you do are different. I was getting my sea legs back when I was in semi-conductor, and (I don't recall, to tell the truth, but I think I'd never had a girl friend), I asked a lady for a date. She was very cool and said "no", and that she had a boy friend. I was a little mortified that I didn't already know this, but she was a (the?) sales engineer on on of my two accounts (Canon and Sony were "mine"), and I don't think it would have occurred to me to NOT work with her. I guess I'm saying that I was embarrassed as hell, but it was my fault for asking for a date in the first place. I am so sorry you had people (probably people like me) get their own ass embarrassed and treat you like that.