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Why do you believe it is surely extinct by now ? Why do you believe that colonisation of the galaxy means eliminating all other advanced civilisations and life

by chmike 10y ago

Why do you believe it is surely extinct by now ? Why do you believe that colonisation of the galaxy means eliminating all other advanced civilisations and life form ? Are you russian ;) Your reasonning is based on many assumptions. Look at us. When did we discover how to fly ? When did we landed on the moon ? Human evolution in science and technology mastering is evolving exponentially. Things can happen much faster than we thought. Another question is why is the UFO phenomenon consistently discarded in the reasoning ?

skissane 10y ago
I'm not suggesting our species will go on a genocidal rampage through the galaxy. Rather, I'm suggesting that if we manage to spread through the galaxy, we won't encounter any other intelligent life, and our galactic colonisation will prevent any other intelligent species from evolving in this galaxy since we'll be fully occupying that ecological niche, just as being the dominant species on this planet makes it much less likely that other species (such as chimpanzees) will evolve to our intelligence level. (Galactic colonisation might plausibly result in speciation of homo sapiens, however.) It's extremely unlikely for two intelligent species to evolve within a single galaxy at the same time; if other intelligent life ever exists in this galaxy, it is almost certainly many millions of years older or younger than us. Any civilisation following our present trajectory is likely to colonise the galaxy within a few million years. Since we are here, no species before us has successfully colonised this galaxy, which implies either we are the first, or the others have already gone extinct before reaching that level. I discount UFOs because I believe the alternative explanations–such as natural atmospheric phenomena, secret testing of military aircraft, confusion, hallucination and delusion–are collectively much more probable than the hypothesis that extraterrestrials have visited us.
- chmike 10y ago
  > I discount UFOs because I believe the alternative explanations–such as natural atmospheric phenomena, secret testing of military aircraft, confusion, hallucination and delusion–are collectively much more probable than the hypothesis that extraterrestrials have visited us. I understand but the reality is undetermined. So assuming that UFOs are not real or ET manifestation is taking a risk of error. My knowledge of the UFO phenomenon is different as I'm very close to the author of the following articles [1](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Propulsion.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Propulsion.pdf) [2](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Evidence.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Evidence.pdf) [3](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Production.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Production.pdf). While I agree that a priori we don't know if we can attribute any reality and seriousness to the UFO phenomenon, these studies shows that we should. The author applied the inductive process. If the UFO phenomenon is real and the manifestation of unconventional flying objects, they must respect the law of physics that we know. The author investigated the a priori uncertain data to determine if it is possible to explain what is described by using the law of physics that we know and are valid in our environment (air, water, etc.). The only liberty degree accepted is that since the UFOs may not be of human origin, they could use the laws in an original way not yet known to us. The referenced articles describe the result of this study. The conclusion is that it is possible to explain the propulsion mechanism of UFOs and its described properties. The mechanism is not yet used by humans and require a supraconducting surface at room temperature and above. This is a theory explaining the observed phenomenon. The normal scientific process should now be to test that theory. This is the work of an experimentalist, not a theorist. Of course this doesn't tell us anything on the real origin of the phenomenon. But its theorical validity give credibility to it. Since many reports signal the presence of non human looking beings, this give credit to the ET origin. Finally, supraconductivity at room temperature is not yet mastered by humans. I suppose it would be known by now if it was the case. Why do these ET behave as they do ? I have no idea. One thing to keep in mind is that the rules and optimal strategies may be different once space travel and energy is not a problem anymore. There may be no benefit in colonizing the galaxy. There is enough space for everybody. My conclusion, influenced by the results of the author is that what matters is to be able to ensure the survival of ones civilization. This means that scientific and technological advance is primordial and determinant as we can see with the war in Syria. We can also see that colonizing doesn't work unless the population is fully under control. This may give credit to the abduction side of the UFO phenomenon, but I'm much more careful on this subject because we have much less data and independent data sources.

by chmike 10y ago

skissane 10y ago

I'm not suggesting our species will go on a genocidal rampage through the galaxy. Rather, I'm suggesting that if we manage to spread through the galaxy, we won't encounter any other intelligent life, and our galactic colonisation will prevent any other intelligent species from evolving in this galaxy since we'll be fully occupying that ecological niche, just as being the dominant species on this planet makes it much less likely that other species (such as chimpanzees) will evolve to our intelligence level. (Galactic colonisation might plausibly result in speciation of homo sapiens, however.) It's extremely unlikely for two intelligent species to evolve within a single galaxy at the same time; if other intelligent life ever exists in this galaxy, it is almost certainly many millions of years older or younger than us. Any civilisation following our present trajectory is likely to colonise the galaxy within a few million years. Since we are here, no species before us has successfully colonised this galaxy, which implies either we are the first, or the others have already gone extinct before reaching that level. I discount UFOs because I believe the alternative explanations–such as natural atmospheric phenomena, secret testing of military aircraft, confusion, hallucination and delusion–are collectively much more probable than the hypothesis that extraterrestrials have visited us.

chmike 10y ago
> I discount UFOs because I believe the alternative explanations–such as natural atmospheric phenomena, secret testing of military aircraft, confusion, hallucination and delusion–are collectively much more probable than the hypothesis that extraterrestrials have visited us. I understand but the reality is undetermined. So assuming that UFOs are not real or ET manifestation is taking a risk of error. My knowledge of the UFO phenomenon is different as I'm very close to the author of the following articles [1](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Propulsion.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Propulsion.pdf) [2](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Evidence.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Evidence.pdf) [3](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Production.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Production.pdf). While I agree that a priori we don't know if we can attribute any reality and seriousness to the UFO phenomenon, these studies shows that we should. The author applied the inductive process. If the UFO phenomenon is real and the manifestation of unconventional flying objects, they must respect the law of physics that we know. The author investigated the a priori uncertain data to determine if it is possible to explain what is described by using the law of physics that we know and are valid in our environment (air, water, etc.). The only liberty degree accepted is that since the UFOs may not be of human origin, they could use the laws in an original way not yet known to us. The referenced articles describe the result of this study. The conclusion is that it is possible to explain the propulsion mechanism of UFOs and its described properties. The mechanism is not yet used by humans and require a supraconducting surface at room temperature and above. This is a theory explaining the observed phenomenon. The normal scientific process should now be to test that theory. This is the work of an experimentalist, not a theorist. Of course this doesn't tell us anything on the real origin of the phenomenon. But its theorical validity give credibility to it. Since many reports signal the presence of non human looking beings, this give credit to the ET origin. Finally, supraconductivity at room temperature is not yet mastered by humans. I suppose it would be known by now if it was the case. Why do these ET behave as they do ? I have no idea. One thing to keep in mind is that the rules and optimal strategies may be different once space travel and energy is not a problem anymore. There may be no benefit in colonizing the galaxy. There is enough space for everybody. My conclusion, influenced by the results of the author is that what matters is to be able to ensure the survival of ones civilization. This means that scientific and technological advance is primordial and determinant as we can see with the war in Syria. We can also see that colonizing doesn't work unless the population is fully under control. This may give credit to the abduction side of the UFO phenomenon, but I'm much more careful on this subject because we have much less data and independent data sources.