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We have similar crank theories in the US, that you have surrended ownership of yourself to the state, but you can get it back via some weird trick, and what ama

We have similar crank theories in the US, that you have surrended ownership of yourself to the state, but you can get it back via some weird trick, and what amazes me is the internal inconsistency. If the people running the government are trying to enslave you via the law, they're really not going to leave (or honor) a loophole that sets you free.

tormeh 10y ago
You could always renounce your citizenship. Citizenship in free countries are actually opt-out, but for some reason this is a difficult thing for these people to grasp. WTF? You could probably be stateless if you absolutely wanted, but I hear that's not very fun. A more realistic alternative is to get citizenship in another country. Apparently these people think that their current country is the greatest, but not quite great enough. I mean, it can't be that bad, then, can it?
- zrail 10y ago
  If you opted out of citizenship your super sekrit million dollar bank account would be forfeit. Can't have that.
- mjn 10y ago
  > You could probably be stateless if you absolutely wanted In many cases that isn't true anymore, since modern law generally disfavors statelessness. In many countries, you can't renounce your citizenship unless you have another citizenship. Alternatively, they may accept the renunciation but with legal effect conditional on receipt of a replacement citizenship. Countries who've ratified the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness agree to that explicitly: Laws for the renunciation of a nationality shall be conditional upon a person's acquisition or possession of another nationality. (Exceptions: not to frustrate freedom of movement of nationals within a country, not to frustrate return of nationals to their country, not to frustrate a person's ability to seek asylum.)
  - Crito 10y ago
    Perhaps you could renounce your citizenship and acquire a new one from a country that did not ratify that treaty, then renounce that citizenship as well. Of course you'd need to find a suitable country that was willing to play along.

tormeh 10y ago

You could always renounce your citizenship. Citizenship in free countries are actually opt-out, but for some reason this is a difficult thing for these people to grasp. WTF? You could probably be stateless if you absolutely wanted, but I hear that's not very fun. A more realistic alternative is to get citizenship in another country. Apparently these people think that their current country is the greatest, but not quite great enough. I mean, it can't be that bad, then, can it?

zrail 10y ago
If you opted out of citizenship your super sekrit million dollar bank account would be forfeit. Can't have that.
mjn 10y ago
> You could probably be stateless if you absolutely wanted In many cases that isn't true anymore, since modern law generally disfavors statelessness. In many countries, you can't renounce your citizenship unless you have another citizenship. Alternatively, they may accept the renunciation but with legal effect conditional on receipt of a replacement citizenship. Countries who've ratified the 1961 Convention on the Reduction of Statelessness agree to that explicitly: Laws for the renunciation of a nationality shall be conditional upon a person's acquisition or possession of another nationality. (Exceptions: not to frustrate freedom of movement of nationals within a country, not to frustrate return of nationals to their country, not to frustrate a person's ability to seek asylum.)
- Crito 10y ago
  Perhaps you could renounce your citizenship and acquire a new one from a country that did not ratify that treaty, then renounce that citizenship as well. Of course you'd need to find a suitable country that was willing to play along.