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Cool, hadn't seen that before. Unfortunately, doesn't seem to be in plan9port.

by cm3 10y ago

hollerith 10y ago
That's because the OSes on which plan9port runs already have plenty of apps that can emulate a vt100. Your question suggests to me that you still don't get it: nothing in Plan 9 -- not the shell, not the ability to issue command lines and get stdout and stderr back -- depends on vt(1). vt(1) is used only to communicate with (tty drivers on) other OSes, over the network. Just as most of time, a user of OS X has no need for an X server, most of the time, a Plan 9 user has no need for vt(1) or for ncurses. I'm not suggesting you give Plan 9 a try BTW: on its best day ever, it had fewer than 1000 users, and if it was ever going to break 1000 users, it would have done so by now. The whole OS (excluding some fonts) has been available under an OSI- FSF- and DFSG-approved license since 2002. So for example, Plan 9 will almost certainly never have a web browser capable a delivering a satisfactory experience on more than half of the 1000 most popular web sites -- because porting such a web browser to Plan 9 would cost 10s of millions of dollars in programmer time, and no one is going to spend that money to get fewer than 1000 new users.
- cm3 10y ago
  Agreed, and I know, so I should have said my use case is more with plan9port which is used with existing Unix applications. Therefore I had the desire to open a special win in acme that would support some level of tty emulation.
- madmax96 10y ago
  And Plan 9 will never have more than 1000 users because it can't get a web browser to deliver a satisfactory experience. It's a horrible chicken-and-egg thing.
  - TurboHaskal 10y ago
    mothra(1) delivers
  - cturner 10y ago
    There is a potential path. Someone builds a killer app that uses a 9p mechanism to deliver content, or else a better experience for an existing app. With this done, a browser decides to implement drawterm as a browser mode. Once you had that, it could start challenging html/css/javascript.
  - joushou 10y ago
    Which is a great thing, as we can then focus on what matters/we care about. Normal people are annoying, and tend to be demanding. :)
- deleted 10y ago
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Cool, hadn't seen that before. Unfortunately, doesn't seem to be in plan9port.

by cm3 10y ago

Cool, hadn't seen that before. Unfortunately, doesn't seem to be in plan9port.

That's because the OSes on which plan9port runs already have plenty of apps that can emulate a vt100. Your question suggests to me that you still don't get it: nothing in Plan 9 -- not the shell, not the ability to issue command lines and get stdout and stderr back -- depends on vt(1). vt(1) is used only to communicate with (tty drivers on) other OSes, over the network. Just as most of time, a user of OS X has no need for an X server, most of the time, a Plan 9 user has no need for vt(1) or for ncurses. I'm not suggesting you give Plan 9 a try BTW: on its best day ever, it had fewer than 1000 users, and if it was ever going to break 1000 users, it would have done so by now. The whole OS (excluding some fonts) has been available under an OSI- FSF- and DFSG-approved license since 2002. So for example, Plan 9 will almost certainly never have a web browser capable a delivering a satisfactory experience on more than half of the 1000 most popular web sites -- because porting such a web browser to Plan 9 would cost 10s of millions of dollars in programmer time, and no one is going to spend that money to get fewer than 1000 new users.

cm3 10y ago
Agreed, and I know, so I should have said my use case is more with plan9port which is used with existing Unix applications. Therefore I had the desire to open a special win in acme that would support some level of tty emulation.
madmax96 10y ago
And Plan 9 will never have more than 1000 users because it can't get a web browser to deliver a satisfactory experience. It's a horrible chicken-and-egg thing.
- TurboHaskal 10y ago
  mothra(1) delivers
- cturner 10y ago
  There is a potential path. Someone builds a killer app that uses a 9p mechanism to deliver content, or else a better experience for an existing app. With this done, a browser decides to implement drawterm as a browser mode. Once you had that, it could start challenging html/css/javascript.
- joushou 10y ago
  Which is a great thing, as we can then focus on what matters/we care about. Normal people are annoying, and tend to be demanding. :)
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