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>An alternative view...is creating a bleeding-edge factory... This is not what Toyota does. VW does this[1]. Tesla does this[2]. But not Toyota [3]. Watch tho
by paulgerhardt 10y ago
>An alternative view...is creating a bleeding-edge factory...
This is not what Toyota does. VW does this[1]. Tesla does this[2]. But not Toyota [3].
Watch those videos. Which ones are full of robots and computers? Which ones are all manual labor? My tone should give it away.
The Toyota Production System link you cite was heavily developed by Taiichi Ohno. You can learn more in his 1978 book: "Toyota Production System". There's a whole chapter on procurement. Taiichi san's very, very strong belief is:
When purchasing new equipment, we must consider buying the
minimum capable of meeting our requirements. Reliability and
ease of maintenance should be considered before features.
Bells and whistles can often be added later if the need
arises. We want to avoid buying features "just in case." We
must consider up-time, utilization and quality factors when
making equipment choices.
Further emphasis is put on making old equipment last longer. Less 'bleeding edge'. More 'minimum viable' meets 'minimum risk'.
Design emphasis is very conservative. Material choice is very conservative. You will not find innovation. You will find reliability. You will find simplification. You will find repeatability. As far as risk goes, Toyota is the bond market of the automotive industry.
They make a vehicle in nearly every category. It is a standout in none of them. The engines are bulkier. They are less fuel efficient. They underperform in nearly every metric. They are costly for their performance specs. But they last.
The interesting thing about their production line system is how much is focused on the people on the line rather than automating the process on the line. It's the YC version of "Talk to your users" - except applied to workers on the line. Most companies try to automate this step out. Toyota does remove their workers - but only to get more training. This English translation[4] of a Le Monde artice from a few years ago goes into extensive detail about the "Takumi" system of training master craftsmen.
Toyota gets a lot of deserved credit for making great products - how they make those products is frequently misunderstood - famously so by Detroit in the '80's. Their process is counter-intuitive and worth a study. I recommend starting with Taiichi's book mentioned above.
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlIyDhss4Cg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YlIyDhss4Cg
[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOXaBto7giY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOXaBto7giY
[3] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg5RlapdEtE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hg5RlapdEtE
[4] http://www.worldcrunch.com/tech-science/takumi-toyota-039-s-secret-weapons-to-train-the-robots/industry-car-technology-unemployment-robots-takumi/c4s16867/ http://www.worldcrunch.com/tech-science/takumi-toyota-039-s-...
[5] http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2014/08/18/face-aux-robots-toyota-rehabilite-le-role-des-experts-maison_4472804_3234.html http://www.lemonde.fr/economie/article/2014/08/18/face-aux-r...
- manigandham 10y ago> Toyota gets a lot of deserved credit for making great products - how they make those products is frequently misunderstood - famously so by Detroit in the '80's. There is an great podcast episode by This American Life about NUMMI, the joint venture between Toyota and GM in 1984. Very well worth the listen: http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/561/nummi-2015 http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/561/n...
- Gravityloss 10y agoToo bad their overall engineering and manufacturing quality is let down by two factors: The cars are uncomfortable for tall people. The body rusts a lot faster than some competition. (Highlighted by the otherwise high reliability) Both would seem to be relatively trivial issues to fix. After all, many other manufacturers have done that.
- true_religion 10y agoMost people in the world aren't tall. It'd seem counter intuitive to create a car specifically so it can fit such a small group of people.
- Aloha 10y agoThis is why as a tall person I'm not fond of 'world' cars. Americans on whole /are/ tall.
- Gravityloss 10y agoBut for the tall buyers it's close to a deal breaker. It's not like I'm 2 meters, just slightly above average in my country. I love Japanese manufacturing, engineering and design. I have three Japanese guitars. However it's less likely I will ever buy a Toyota. Attitudes can change but I'm not going to get any shorter soon. In today's world the brands resemble each other a lot, and are in fierce competition about some percentage points of fuel consumption, to the point of cheating. But most of the things that are mentioned in the advertisements or reviews don't matter if the seat is slightly uncomfortable, or you have to bend your knees a little bit more, or your shoe scratches the foot space ceiling if you're not careful. Indeed, a cramped car can scuff your leather shoe. How is it not possible to find a few centimeters more in a vehicle that's 4 meters long? It makes me feel they are either incompetent or just don't plain care. Compare that to something like even eighties-nineties vintage Volkswagen Golfs. They are not big cars, but I wouldn't even keep the driver's seat all the way back - they had excess space. Bliss. Every car has it's assortment of design mistakes, you just get to choose what they are. It's a bit counter intuitive considering how many billions are spent per model, but I guess the designers still have a self centered approach.