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So what you're saying is that this law is really being kept secret for our own advantage ? Politicians can't be held responsible for their actions because they

by iofj 10y ago

So what you're saying is that this law is really being kept secret for our own advantage ? Politicians can't be held responsible for their actions because they benefit us ? Can't have public influence over the deal because that would "torpedo" it ? Maybe you should move to Russia or China, and have all your deals and laws done like this. And they give the same argument you're giving : "it's for your own good". And I bet in one case out of 10 that's actually true.

rory096 10y ago
But it's not secret. Read it. https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/tran...
- iofj 10y ago
  Not sure what you're trying to say ... obviously it was kept secret and is now being presented as a done deal, even when there are LOTS of things in there that we should never ever agree to [1][2]. Moreover it's something congress would never agree to normally. It's 10x worse than the DMCA, it's anti-consumer, it advocates worse global warming and prevents people from doing anything about it, it's got disastrously bad anti-employee policies, and so on and so forth. I at one point called it the "Indians get medicine now. Let's fix that" agreement. Why are you even defending it ? Aren't there any red flags in it from your perspective ? Because I'm pretty sure that if you aren't Lloyd Blankfein, that's guaranteed. So why are you defending it. [1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/now-we-know-why-huge-tpp_b_6956540.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/now-we-know-why-h... [2] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eastwest-center/tpp-the-new-gold-standard_b_9544428.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eastwest-center/tpp-the-new-go...
NotSammyHagar 10y ago
It was secret while being negotiated. The reason was that they knew people wouldn't like it. It was surprising that businesses were allowed to access it for things that affected them.

by iofj 10y ago

rory096 10y ago

But it's not secret. Read it. https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/trans-pacific-partnership/tpp-full-text https://ustr.gov/trade-agreements/free-trade-agreements/tran...

iofj 10y ago
Not sure what you're trying to say ... obviously it was kept secret and is now being presented as a done deal, even when there are LOTS of things in there that we should never ever agree to [1][2]. Moreover it's something congress would never agree to normally. It's 10x worse than the DMCA, it's anti-consumer, it advocates worse global warming and prevents people from doing anything about it, it's got disastrously bad anti-employee policies, and so on and so forth. I at one point called it the "Indians get medicine now. Let's fix that" agreement. Why are you even defending it ? Aren't there any red flags in it from your perspective ? Because I'm pretty sure that if you aren't Lloyd Blankfein, that's guaranteed. So why are you defending it. [1] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/now-we-know-why-huge-tpp_b_6956540.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dave-johnson/now-we-know-why-h... [2] http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eastwest-center/tpp-the-new-gold-standard_b_9544428.html http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eastwest-center/tpp-the-new-go...

NotSammyHagar 10y ago

It was secret while being negotiated. The reason was that they knew people wouldn't like it. It was surprising that businesses were allowed to access it for things that affected them.