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This sounds quite interesting. In chess, most grandmaster-level games are resolved by a resignation or draw agreement; rarely does it reach checkmate, stalemat

This sounds quite interesting. In chess, most grandmaster-level games are resolved by a resignation or draw agreement; rarely does it reach checkmate, stalemate, threefold repetition, or a 50-move-rule draw. I'd expect a similar solution for any other game that has a long "slowly and surely crush your opponent" ending period. You say players aren't allowed to leave? No one can prevent someone from quitting the application or shutting down their computer. But I'm guessing that the service won't let you join a different game until the current one finishes... Is there a way for a team to resign? Surely if a team unanimously thinks they've lost, they can surrender immediately...?

mashlol 10y ago
A team can surrender if 4/5 teammates agree and at least 20 minutes have passed in the game. Players often believe the game is over before 20 minutes though, which causes these problems.
bojo 10y ago
The system penalizes you for leaving in the middle of the game, to the point where if you do it often enough you can get your account banned. Your team can resign, but it requires at least a 4/1 vote. You typically end up with that one try-hard player who refuses to end with dignity and get 3/2 non-resigns, forcing everyone to play out a lost game. On top of that if you afk or troll yourself there is a reporting feature at the end of the game where you can flag players, which can also result in account suspensions and bans if they occur too often. It really is a terrible system all the way through.
- mjevans 10y ago
  It sounds like a sufficient mechanism would be to have the following options: * A simple majority vote for designating a player 'too weak for this level of play'. * A strong majority vote (>75%; in a team of 5 this would be 4+) for designating a player 'a troll'. * Either of the above ejecting the player from the team at that instant. * Allowing all other votes to proceed as normal (N-1 required to resign a match).
vbezhenar 10y ago
About Heroes of the Storm: players aren't allowed to leave and if they do, they are threatened to be queued with other leavers. And there's no resign option. On the other hand, my worst experience with Dota was that a lot of players were leavers, so any sign of losing and someone left the game. And after that it's really game over. No fun to lose the game this way, even no fun to win the game this way. But with HOTS that's completely different. Almost everyone tries to stay until the defeat and it's not that rare to see a comeback and victory. So I'm supporting that notion of not allowing anyone just to leave. It's not a chess and there are other players who might want to fight until the end. On the other hand, quick anonymous poll, initiated by one player, if anyone wants to stay, and defeat if everyone wants to resign wouldn't hurt anyone, I guess.

mashlol 10y ago

A team can surrender if 4/5 teammates agree and at least 20 minutes have passed in the game. Players often believe the game is over before 20 minutes though, which causes these problems.

bojo 10y ago

The system penalizes you for leaving in the middle of the game, to the point where if you do it often enough you can get your account banned. Your team can resign, but it requires at least a 4/1 vote. You typically end up with that one try-hard player who refuses to end with dignity and get 3/2 non-resigns, forcing everyone to play out a lost game. On top of that if you afk or troll yourself there is a reporting feature at the end of the game where you can flag players, which can also result in account suspensions and bans if they occur too often. It really is a terrible system all the way through.

mjevans 10y ago
It sounds like a sufficient mechanism would be to have the following options: * A simple majority vote for designating a player 'too weak for this level of play'. * A strong majority vote (>75%; in a team of 5 this would be 4+) for designating a player 'a troll'. * Either of the above ejecting the player from the team at that instant. * Allowing all other votes to proceed as normal (N-1 required to resign a match).

vbezhenar 10y ago

About Heroes of the Storm: players aren't allowed to leave and if they do, they are threatened to be queued with other leavers. And there's no resign option. On the other hand, my worst experience with Dota was that a lot of players were leavers, so any sign of losing and someone left the game. And after that it's really game over. No fun to lose the game this way, even no fun to win the game this way. But with HOTS that's completely different. Almost everyone tries to stay until the defeat and it's not that rare to see a comeback and victory. So I'm supporting that notion of not allowing anyone just to leave. It's not a chess and there are other players who might want to fight until the end. On the other hand, quick anonymous poll, initiated by one player, if anyone wants to stay, and defeat if everyone wants to resign wouldn't hurt anyone, I guess.