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At first I thought the same with the creepy overreach. But I thought for two seconds, and was like if I went around acting on my work campus like I do at 3am dr

At first I thought the same with the creepy overreach. But I thought for two seconds, and was like if I went around acting on my work campus like I do at 3am drunk with friends I should be fired too. You are engaging in your place of work and should be a positive influence. You don't shit in the middle of the office.

hashmymustache 10y ago
Exactly, as representatives you're held to a higher standard in setting the tone for the community, regardless of the time of day. That said, this should have been made clear to every employee up front if it's that important to them.
doktrin 10y ago
In principle, I agree with you. In practice, I think we're entering somewhat untrodden waters. Certainly : acting like a fool in your place of employ is bad. However, using your analogy as an example, what's happening here is also a bit like those 3 AM campus shenanigans that occurred while you were a student being held against you when you go looking for a job - since Riot is screening potential employees based on their game history. If Riot screens applicants based on their LoL behavior, then why shouldn't Facebook? Google? Why shouldn't any of these respective companies sell said information to other 3rd party companies that want to pre-screen hires? Ultimately I guess I'm arguing against a fully transparent world, because as happy as I am with my electronic footprint - I'm not sure how happy I am about the idea of everyone in the world who I interact with peering at it with a microscope.
- RiotBoatStuff 10y ago
  It's less about your game history and more about your behavior directed at strangers. We're a player focused company, and if you're a total jerk to strangers because you've tilted, how can you be expected to make the game better for those same people?
  - doktrin 10y ago
    > It's less about your game history and more about your behavior directed at strangers This is a bit like saying "it's less about the means, but about the ends". I don't think anyone's confused about your motivations. > We're a player focused company, and if you're a total jerk to strangers because you've tilted, how can you be expected to make the game better for those same people? I'm as jerk averse as the next person, but this reasoning is on the weak side. History is full of jerks who have made important contributions to their field despite of (or because of) their jerkiness. Edison, Ford, Jobs : all jackasses of epic proportions who all made quality products. Ultimately, you do you. If you want to shit can jerks, then shit can jerks. I just feel like there are more germane - and less creepily invasive - metrics that can be applied to someone's job performance than their behavior in a game. edit : I've responded to another one of your comments elsewhere, and just want to add some clarifying context. I really don't want to start defending in game trolls, because the specifics seem to be indefensible (racism, death threats, et al). My concern is a step removed into a hypothetical bigger picture, where everything we do electronically becomes fair game for assessment and auditing - and I see this as a step in that direction.

hashmymustache 10y ago

Exactly, as representatives you're held to a higher standard in setting the tone for the community, regardless of the time of day. That said, this should have been made clear to every employee up front if it's that important to them.

doktrin 10y ago

In principle, I agree with you. In practice, I think we're entering somewhat untrodden waters. Certainly : acting like a fool in your place of employ is bad. However, using your analogy as an example, what's happening here is also a bit like those 3 AM campus shenanigans that occurred while you were a student being held against you when you go looking for a job - since Riot is screening potential employees based on their game history. If Riot screens applicants based on their LoL behavior, then why shouldn't Facebook? Google? Why shouldn't any of these respective companies sell said information to other 3rd party companies that want to pre-screen hires? Ultimately I guess I'm arguing against a fully transparent world, because as happy as I am with my electronic footprint - I'm not sure how happy I am about the idea of everyone in the world who I interact with peering at it with a microscope.

RiotBoatStuff 10y ago
It's less about your game history and more about your behavior directed at strangers. We're a player focused company, and if you're a total jerk to strangers because you've tilted, how can you be expected to make the game better for those same people?
- doktrin 10y ago
  > It's less about your game history and more about your behavior directed at strangers This is a bit like saying "it's less about the means, but about the ends". I don't think anyone's confused about your motivations. > We're a player focused company, and if you're a total jerk to strangers because you've tilted, how can you be expected to make the game better for those same people? I'm as jerk averse as the next person, but this reasoning is on the weak side. History is full of jerks who have made important contributions to their field despite of (or because of) their jerkiness. Edison, Ford, Jobs : all jackasses of epic proportions who all made quality products. Ultimately, you do you. If you want to shit can jerks, then shit can jerks. I just feel like there are more germane - and less creepily invasive - metrics that can be applied to someone's job performance than their behavior in a game. edit : I've responded to another one of your comments elsewhere, and just want to add some clarifying context. I really don't want to start defending in game trolls, because the specifics seem to be indefensible (racism, death threats, et al). My concern is a step removed into a hypothetical bigger picture, where everything we do electronically becomes fair game for assessment and auditing - and I see this as a step in that direction.