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Assuming it was foul play, it wouldn't qualify as you couldn't accomplish it via purely software hacking. What brobinson is suggesting is that a hypothetical h

by Zikes 10y ago

Assuming it was foul play, it wouldn't qualify as you couldn't accomplish it via purely software hacking. What brobinson is suggesting is that a hypothetical hacker, thousands of miles away in front of a console, could accomplish a murder with no other physical agents involved. i.e. no drones, hitmen, etc. just remotely commandeering existing systems already in everyday use.

solotronics 10y ago
Is there any difference between a pacemaker being disabled and your car driving into a brick wall? Genuinely curious how these things are different.
- Zikes 10y ago
  If it were e.g. a Tesla, no there would be no difference. But a Mercedes C250 Coupé? How would you hack that remotely? How would you program it to accelerate uncontrollably? Does it even have computer controlled acceleration? I would have to assume that physical tampering of some sort was involved, possibly even the introduction of a physical device such as one that remotely physically activates the throttle.
  - yompers888 10y ago
    Today you're one of the lucky 10,000! https://blog.kaspersky.com/blackhat-jeep-cherokee-hack-explained/9493/ https://blog.kaspersky.com/blackhat-jeep-cherokee-hack-expla... short version: you hop onto an outward-facing wireless channel (in this case either wifi or cell), and then find the weak point where the industrial control system (ICS) and user network are very close to one another. Once you're on the ICS, systems are often low on verification/authentication, so there's a decent chance that you can do things like accelerating into a brick wall.
    - Zikes 10y ago
      I was already aware of that hack, which was made possible because of two conditions: * Outward-facing wireless channel * Computer controlled acceleration accessible in some way from the same network the outward-facing wireless channel is on If the Mercedes C250 Coupé meets those criteria then there is the possibility that (if it is indeed foul play) the assassination occurred via software hacking.
      - yompers888 10y ago
        Ahh, my misunderstanding then. I don't know about the C250 in particular, but my inclination is to suspect that it is susceptible to the same type of attack. I believe this because outward-facing wireless has applications that would be appealing features in a luxury car, and because it seems to me that luxury car makers are the ones most likely to abstract away aspects of controlling the car so that they can offer more finely-tuned driving performance. It's possible that Mercedes implemented security, but from my experience it's unlikely that they would have done so, when it's expensive and directly at odds with implementing features.

by Zikes 10y ago

solotronics 10y ago

Is there any difference between a pacemaker being disabled and your car driving into a brick wall? Genuinely curious how these things are different.

Zikes 10y ago
If it were e.g. a Tesla, no there would be no difference. But a Mercedes C250 Coupé? How would you hack that remotely? How would you program it to accelerate uncontrollably? Does it even have computer controlled acceleration? I would have to assume that physical tampering of some sort was involved, possibly even the introduction of a physical device such as one that remotely physically activates the throttle.
- yompers888 10y ago
  Today you're one of the lucky 10,000! https://blog.kaspersky.com/blackhat-jeep-cherokee-hack-explained/9493/ https://blog.kaspersky.com/blackhat-jeep-cherokee-hack-expla... short version: you hop onto an outward-facing wireless channel (in this case either wifi or cell), and then find the weak point where the industrial control system (ICS) and user network are very close to one another. Once you're on the ICS, systems are often low on verification/authentication, so there's a decent chance that you can do things like accelerating into a brick wall.
  - Zikes 10y ago
    I was already aware of that hack, which was made possible because of two conditions: * Outward-facing wireless channel * Computer controlled acceleration accessible in some way from the same network the outward-facing wireless channel is on If the Mercedes C250 Coupé meets those criteria then there is the possibility that (if it is indeed foul play) the assassination occurred via software hacking.
    - yompers888 10y ago
      Ahh, my misunderstanding then. I don't know about the C250 in particular, but my inclination is to suspect that it is susceptible to the same type of attack. I believe this because outward-facing wireless has applications that would be appealing features in a luxury car, and because it seems to me that luxury car makers are the ones most likely to abstract away aspects of controlling the car so that they can offer more finely-tuned driving performance. It's possible that Mercedes implemented security, but from my experience it's unlikely that they would have done so, when it's expensive and directly at odds with implementing features.