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Elon Musk provides new details on his “mind blowing” mission to Mars

21 points by cryptoz 10y ago

Aelinsaar 10y ago
Here is someone who understands how to work the media to his advantage.
- cryptoz 10y ago
  Not just any media, either; this is the Washington Post, owned by Bezos, who runs what will probably become SpaceX's fiercest competitor in the launch market (if they ever get customers and deliver payloads to orbit, which they will). Another quick note on Bezos and Blue Origin: Bezos wants to move all manufacturing and mining off-Earth, to take place on asteroids, comets, etc. He envisions the Earth as a green and clean place to live. I believe him like I do Musk: Blue Origin will succeed too.
  - internaut 10y ago
    If I remember properly the Kikkoman soy sauce company in Japan was helped by its competitors to stay in business when it ran into financial difficulties, reasoning that in the long haul the market would be healthier for all involved if Kikkoman survived. I say so because I'm enjoying Bezos and Musk's friendly competition and hope the 'war' remains room temperature. There are so many confounding factors with spaceflight somebody's going to need a support at some stage. After all when the glorybuzz is said and done you need good frienemies to ward off complacency from the adoration of sycophants. Besides, it's nice if somebody else is going through the same shit as yourself! At least then you can have war buddies. I think that's one of the reasons why it's easy to make friends at school/university. Adversity is under-examined as a method to produce lasting relationships.
cryptoz 10y ago
Elon is announcing this because he wants the world's scientists to get ready to send their experiments to Mars! > “Essentially what we’re saying is we’re establishing a cargo route to Mars,” he said. “It’s a regular cargo route. You can count on it. It’s going happen every 26 months. Like a train leaving the station. And if scientists around the world know that they can count on that, and it’s going to be inexpensive, relatively speaking compared to anything in the past, then they will plan accordingly and come up with a lot of great experiments.” And the MCT in 2022! > Then in 2022, Musk said he hoped to launch what the company now sometimes refers to as the Mars Colonial Transporter, designed to bring a colony to Mars.
SCAQTony 10y ago
Too soon, too ambitious, and inhumane. This is not a well thought out enough overview to suggest colony could be supported. Here is a link to just some of the problems MIT found. "...MIT students' analysis (PDF) by Sydney Do, Koki Ho, Samuel Schreiner, Andrew Owens and Olivier de Weck estimates that the first fatality on Mars will come at around day 68 of the mission. ..." http://www.cnet.com/news/why-mars-one-colonists-could-die-sooner-than-expected/ http://www.cnet.com/news/why-mars-one-colonists-could-die-so...
- cryptoz 10y ago
  Mars One is a scam and has nothing to do with SpaceX. That was a separate group that had no real substance to their claims. The case is quite the opposite with SpaceX! Mars One was not trying to build a colony, they were a scam pretending to sell people one-way death tickets to Mars. That's not relevant here.
  - SCAQTony 10y ago
    No doubt, but the problems are the same: Food, oxygen management, cosmic rays and no atmosphere. Though Musk mentions a "pre-fab city" of some kind built within a 8-year time frame (starting yesterday and who or what is going to build it?) how can one not think that this is too ambitious? Question, what kind of food can they grow on Mars and would natural pressures may make this good inedible? We do not know. What about Musk's 26-month supply drop? Who is going to pay for it and what happens if SpaceX misses a delivery due to a "black swan" event or the company goes under? Arguably, like MARS ONE this could be a scam, or more likely a well intentioned vision with no ground work in place to be accepted as credible. Since none of these problems have been addressed, and not one "Matt Damon" potato has been grown on Mars or a "Mars sim" environment I think my remarks were credible, YMMV.
    - cryptoz 10y ago
      Well, if you think that Elon's companies are a scam, that's that then, I doubt I'll be able to change your mind. This project is difficult and risky, especially for the first colonists, yes. But it's not a scam. Your questions will mostly be answered slowly over the next few years as SpaceX, NASA, and others collaborate and build the infrastructure for a Mars colony.
mlvljr 10y ago
Elon's a GENIUS! [raving]
woodandsteel 10y ago
When SpaceX starts landing people on Marx, I wonder if they will use ipfs on their internet.

21 points by cryptoz 10y ago

Aelinsaar 10y ago

Here is someone who understands how to work the media to his advantage.

cryptoz 10y ago
Not just any media, either; this is the Washington Post, owned by Bezos, who runs what will probably become SpaceX's fiercest competitor in the launch market (if they ever get customers and deliver payloads to orbit, which they will). Another quick note on Bezos and Blue Origin: Bezos wants to move all manufacturing and mining off-Earth, to take place on asteroids, comets, etc. He envisions the Earth as a green and clean place to live. I believe him like I do Musk: Blue Origin will succeed too.
- internaut 10y ago
  If I remember properly the Kikkoman soy sauce company in Japan was helped by its competitors to stay in business when it ran into financial difficulties, reasoning that in the long haul the market would be healthier for all involved if Kikkoman survived. I say so because I'm enjoying Bezos and Musk's friendly competition and hope the 'war' remains room temperature. There are so many confounding factors with spaceflight somebody's going to need a support at some stage. After all when the glorybuzz is said and done you need good frienemies to ward off complacency from the adoration of sycophants. Besides, it's nice if somebody else is going through the same shit as yourself! At least then you can have war buddies. I think that's one of the reasons why it's easy to make friends at school/university. Adversity is under-examined as a method to produce lasting relationships.

cryptoz 10y ago

Elon is announcing this because he wants the world's scientists to get ready to send their experiments to Mars! > “Essentially what we’re saying is we’re establishing a cargo route to Mars,” he said. “It’s a regular cargo route. You can count on it. It’s going happen every 26 months. Like a train leaving the station. And if scientists around the world know that they can count on that, and it’s going to be inexpensive, relatively speaking compared to anything in the past, then they will plan accordingly and come up with a lot of great experiments.” And the MCT in 2022! > Then in 2022, Musk said he hoped to launch what the company now sometimes refers to as the Mars Colonial Transporter, designed to bring a colony to Mars.

SCAQTony 10y ago

Too soon, too ambitious, and inhumane. This is not a well thought out enough overview to suggest colony could be supported. Here is a link to just some of the problems MIT found. "...MIT students' analysis (PDF) by Sydney Do, Koki Ho, Samuel Schreiner, Andrew Owens and Olivier de Weck estimates that the first fatality on Mars will come at around day 68 of the mission. ..." http://www.cnet.com/news/why-mars-one-colonists-could-die-sooner-than-expected/ http://www.cnet.com/news/why-mars-one-colonists-could-die-so...

cryptoz 10y ago
Mars One is a scam and has nothing to do with SpaceX. That was a separate group that had no real substance to their claims. The case is quite the opposite with SpaceX! Mars One was not trying to build a colony, they were a scam pretending to sell people one-way death tickets to Mars. That's not relevant here.
- SCAQTony 10y ago
  No doubt, but the problems are the same: Food, oxygen management, cosmic rays and no atmosphere. Though Musk mentions a "pre-fab city" of some kind built within a 8-year time frame (starting yesterday and who or what is going to build it?) how can one not think that this is too ambitious? Question, what kind of food can they grow on Mars and would natural pressures may make this good inedible? We do not know. What about Musk's 26-month supply drop? Who is going to pay for it and what happens if SpaceX misses a delivery due to a "black swan" event or the company goes under? Arguably, like MARS ONE this could be a scam, or more likely a well intentioned vision with no ground work in place to be accepted as credible. Since none of these problems have been addressed, and not one "Matt Damon" potato has been grown on Mars or a "Mars sim" environment I think my remarks were credible, YMMV.
  - cryptoz 10y ago
    Well, if you think that Elon's companies are a scam, that's that then, I doubt I'll be able to change your mind. This project is difficult and risky, especially for the first colonists, yes. But it's not a scam. Your questions will mostly be answered slowly over the next few years as SpaceX, NASA, and others collaborate and build the infrastructure for a Mars colony.

mlvljr 10y ago

Elon's a GENIUS! [raving]

woodandsteel 10y ago

When SpaceX starts landing people on Marx, I wonder if they will use ipfs on their internet.