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> Apple went all-USB, people complained. USB mice and keyboard became the standard. LOL. Apple started with Apple Desktop Bus and then when that failed they t

> Apple went all-USB, people complained. USB mice and keyboard became the standard. LOL. Apple started with Apple Desktop Bus and then when that failed they tried unsuccessfully to force Firewire on their users and only caved and went with USB when literally the rest of the world switched to USB. > Apple dropped the floppy drive, people complained. No floppy drive became the standard. I don't think Apple was the first company to make a computer without a floppy. > Apple dropped the CD drive, people complained. No CD drive (on laptops) became the standard. I don't think Apple was the first company to drop the CD drive. Moreover how is "lack of something" a standard? > Apple dropped full-size display connectors, people complained. This, too, became the standard on laptops. You live in a bubble. Did you know that lots / most of non-Apple products use HDMI outputs? Apple has a long history of foisting "nonstandards" on its users (and then selling them God-awfully-expensive cables). Starting with ADB and SCSI, AppleTalk, Firewire, Thunderbolt, DisplayPort, etc. I've been an Apple customer since before the Mac existed, and I've had to put up with Apple's insistence of constantly opposing whatever connector trend was mainstream with the rest of the world.

acdha 10y ago
> LOL. Apple started with Apple Desktop Bus and then when that failed they tried unsuccessfully to force Firewire on their users and only caved and went with USB when literally the rest of the world switched to USB. You really need to learn about the subject before trying to “correct” other people: * ADB had a 13 year run starting in 1986: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus * Firewire is a standard (IEEE 1394) and was intended as a replacement for high-performance SCSI interfaces, which is why it focused on transfer speed and scalability at the expense of cost — and was complete overkill for keyboards, mice, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394#History_and_development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394#History_and_developm... * Apple was the first major manufacturer to standardize on USB and helped drive its adoption – in fact, it wasn't until the second generation iMac before they even added a Firewire port: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3#iMac_.28tray-loading.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3#iMac_.28tray-loading.2... This is particularly amusing for anyone who was around in the 90s because back then there were more than a few people like you were decrying USB as Apple's attempt to get consumers to waste a ton of money replacing perfectly good hardware just to have a new connector with, as they felt was obvious, no significant benefit to the user. As for the rest of your “points” do note that you're arguing against “Apple was first” claims which were never made. Each of the actual statements made are simply factual — every time Apple dropped a feature, people complained. They got over it and most of the market turned out not to care but that doesn't mean that there weren't opinion pieces, angry rants, etc.
- riprowan 10y ago
  > This is particularly amusing for anyone who was around in the 90s But that's just it: I was around in the 1990s and I owned Macs and PCs throughout that period. ADB had a 13-year run, sure, but it wasn't a "standard" for any device except a Mac. PCs used PS/2 connectors. Firewire is a standard, but Apple was the only company really pushing it. You're right - and I'm dead wrong - about Apple pushing USB. > it wasn't until the second generation iMac before they even added a Firewire port I thought Firewire was a common option on G3s in the late 1990s? May be misremembering. > was intended as a replacement for high-performance SCSI interfaces Thanks for bringing that up. Yes at the time SCSI interfaces were more high-performance than IDE (and allowed more devices) but only at the expense of the more common emergent standard of IDE / EIDE. You do raise some good points however, and you're also right that of course Firewire wasn't a replacement for ADB, I'm not really sure why I said that :(

acdha 10y ago

> LOL. Apple started with Apple Desktop Bus and then when that failed they tried unsuccessfully to force Firewire on their users and only caved and went with USB when literally the rest of the world switched to USB. You really need to learn about the subject before trying to “correct” other people: * ADB had a 13 year run starting in 1986: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Desktop_Bus * Firewire is a standard (IEEE 1394) and was intended as a replacement for high-performance SCSI interfaces, which is why it focused on transfer speed and scalability at the expense of cost — and was complete overkill for keyboards, mice, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394#History_and_development https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IEEE_1394#History_and_developm... * Apple was the first major manufacturer to standardize on USB and helped drive its adoption – in fact, it wasn't until the second generation iMac before they even added a Firewire port: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3#iMac_.28tray-loading.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IMac_G3#iMac_.28tray-loading.2... This is particularly amusing for anyone who was around in the 90s because back then there were more than a few people like you were decrying USB as Apple's attempt to get consumers to waste a ton of money replacing perfectly good hardware just to have a new connector with, as they felt was obvious, no significant benefit to the user. As for the rest of your “points” do note that you're arguing against “Apple was first” claims which were never made. Each of the actual statements made are simply factual — every time Apple dropped a feature, people complained. They got over it and most of the market turned out not to care but that doesn't mean that there weren't opinion pieces, angry rants, etc.

riprowan 10y ago
> This is particularly amusing for anyone who was around in the 90s But that's just it: I was around in the 1990s and I owned Macs and PCs throughout that period. ADB had a 13-year run, sure, but it wasn't a "standard" for any device except a Mac. PCs used PS/2 connectors. Firewire is a standard, but Apple was the only company really pushing it. You're right - and I'm dead wrong - about Apple pushing USB. > it wasn't until the second generation iMac before they even added a Firewire port I thought Firewire was a common option on G3s in the late 1990s? May be misremembering. > was intended as a replacement for high-performance SCSI interfaces Thanks for bringing that up. Yes at the time SCSI interfaces were more high-performance than IDE (and allowed more devices) but only at the expense of the more common emergent standard of IDE / EIDE. You do raise some good points however, and you're also right that of course Firewire wasn't a replacement for ADB, I'm not really sure why I said that :(