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Having a single non-standard, unsupported (usb c) port for everything isn't progress, it's regress. No one wants this, especially for headphones but Apple and a

by joesmo 10y ago

Having a single non-standard, unsupported (usb c) port for everything isn't progress, it's regress. No one wants this, especially for headphones but Apple and another clueless follower are pushing it anyway because they have the clout and they think people will buy it. Sounds like FireWire to me. That was an amazing success. Or thunderbolt. Or thunderbolt 2. Yeah I think it's clear by now Apple has an abysmal track record with such changes. Throw in something any knowledgeable consumer is against like removing the headphone jack and now you have a recipe for disaster. I hope so, not because I like others' pain but because this change, along with others, marks an anti consumer shift in policy. No longer does Apple even care what the consumer wants because it has the zombie sheep factor of millions of clueless idiots who will buy products that are clearly not in their best interests and require extra investment for no reason. Then again, Apple is hardly alone in such markets.

mpitt 10y ago
> non-standard Check again. "The USB Type-C Specification 1.0 was published by the USB Implementers Forum and was finalized in August 2014." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Type-C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Type-C)
- nix0n 10y ago
  USB Type C is a de jure standard only: the de facto standards are 3.5mm TRSS for analog audio and Micro-USB for charging and PC connections.
Hondor 10y ago
That's always been Apple's advantage. Trying to serve everybody's needs is what Windows was for a long time. Apple has a history of breaking compatibility and screwing over the few holdouts of the old products. I think that freedom is what allows them to design things that people really like. Now they have "zombie sheep", they can do even better without being forced to follow the market.
TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago
> Apple has an abysmal track record with such changes Really? Apple went all-USB, people complained. USB mice and keyboard became the standard. Apple dropped the floppy drive, people complained. No floppy drive became the standard. Apple dropped the CD drive, people complained. No CD drive (on laptops) became the standard. Apple dropped full-size display connectors, people complained. This, too, became the standard on laptops.
- c3833174 10y ago
  > Apple dropped the CD drive, people complained. No CD drive (on laptops) became the standard. > Apple dropped full-size display connectors, people complained. This, too, became the standard on laptops. You need to step out of that Apple reality distortion field, not every laptop is an ultrabook.
  - acdha 10y ago
    Next time you go to a coffee shop, airport or train station, etc. look at the laptops you see and count how many have an optical drive. Yes, some people do still have the older corporate IT bricks but even there the trend has clearly been to optimize for size and battery life. Display connectors are a bit of a confound since e.g. an HDMI connector is already a huge improvement over a VGA/DVI port but are clearly on a similar trajectory.
    - riprowan 10y ago
      Yeah but it isn't like Apple invented the idea of the ultrabook.
      - bryanlarsen 10y ago
        The ultrabook was almost entirely a reaction to the MacBook Air. Read initial press reports about the ultrabook, they make that obvious. Like http://www.pcworld.com/article/246691/ultrabooks_laptops_as_light_as_air.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/246691/ultrabooks_laptops_as_...

by joesmo 10y ago

mpitt 10y ago

> non-standard Check again. "The USB Type-C Specification 1.0 was published by the USB Implementers Forum and was finalized in August 2014." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Type-C https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USB_Type-C)

nix0n 10y ago
USB Type C is a de jure standard only: the de facto standards are 3.5mm TRSS for analog audio and Micro-USB for charging and PC connections.

Hondor 10y ago

That's always been Apple's advantage. Trying to serve everybody's needs is what Windows was for a long time. Apple has a history of breaking compatibility and screwing over the few holdouts of the old products. I think that freedom is what allows them to design things that people really like. Now they have "zombie sheep", they can do even better without being forced to follow the market.

TazeTSchnitzel 10y ago

> Apple has an abysmal track record with such changes Really? Apple went all-USB, people complained. USB mice and keyboard became the standard. Apple dropped the floppy drive, people complained. No floppy drive became the standard. Apple dropped the CD drive, people complained. No CD drive (on laptops) became the standard. Apple dropped full-size display connectors, people complained. This, too, became the standard on laptops.

c3833174 10y ago
> Apple dropped the CD drive, people complained. No CD drive (on laptops) became the standard. > Apple dropped full-size display connectors, people complained. This, too, became the standard on laptops. You need to step out of that Apple reality distortion field, not every laptop is an ultrabook.
- acdha 10y ago
  Next time you go to a coffee shop, airport or train station, etc. look at the laptops you see and count how many have an optical drive. Yes, some people do still have the older corporate IT bricks but even there the trend has clearly been to optimize for size and battery life. Display connectors are a bit of a confound since e.g. an HDMI connector is already a huge improvement over a VGA/DVI port but are clearly on a similar trajectory.
  - riprowan 10y ago
    Yeah but it isn't like Apple invented the idea of the ultrabook.
    - bryanlarsen 10y ago
      The ultrabook was almost entirely a reaction to the MacBook Air. Read initial press reports about the ultrabook, they make that obvious. Like http://www.pcworld.com/article/246691/ultrabooks_laptops_as_light_as_air.html http://www.pcworld.com/article/246691/ultrabooks_laptops_as_...