> This is a dichotomy that does not exist in practice. It's the same people "upstream" as "downstream". In the cases of Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch, for examples,

> This is a dichotomy that does not exist in practice. It's the same people "upstream" as "downstream". In the cases of Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch, for examples, the distribution's listed maintainers are also systemd developers. > I believe that's nonsense. You can believe that if you like, but yours isn't a belief in any way founded in fact. Tomasz Torcz's 2014 lists of the top systemd developers includes the Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch maintainers.