>This is a dichotomy that does not exist in practice. It's the same people "upstream" as "downstream". I believe that's nonsense. Out of all the software being

>This is a dichotomy that does not exist in practice. It's the same people "upstream" as "downstream". I believe that's nonsense. Out of all the software being packaged in all the distros out there, I would say only a very small amount is actually being packaged by people who are also upstream developers, there are LOTS of distros and LOTS and LOTS of packages out there. >In the cases of Debian, Ubuntu, and Arch, for examples, the distribution's listed maintainers are also systemd developers. systemd is a quite large project, some 250+ different committers, and from what I've read, neither Debian, Ubuntu or Arch will use the new default of shutting down user processes upon logout, despite them having upstream systemd developers responsible for the distro packaging.