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> making tenancy unbearably awful has the additional benefit of encouraging people to do everything -- anything -- to become home-owners There is other option:

by jkot 10y ago

> making tenancy unbearably awful has the additional benefit of encouraging people to do everything -- anything -- to become home-owners There is other option: leave. Prague and other cities have many foreigners from UK.

ddebernardy 10y ago
And it's quite unfortunate for them that the UK might vote for a Brexit, without them necessarily being able to chime in. We recently met UK retirees in Spain who were deeply worried. They had not lived in the UK for over 15 years so weren't eligible to vote for or against. And yet their life situation was directly affected by the outcome: If the Brexit occurred, they'd end up unable to afford local healthcare, and would end up needing to return back north.
- jkot 10y ago
  I dont even get why UK wants out. UK is not part of Shengen and has its own currency. There is no reason for exiting, UK already has what it wants.
  - ddebernardy 10y ago
    They'd like to pass their own (e.g.) consumer protection laws and negotiate their own trade deals. Which is cool and all... until they'll realize that, to trade with the EU were Brexit to come, they'll still need to comply with EU regulations. Only then, they'll no longer be voting on them (at all).
- dazc 10y ago
  "If the Brexit occurred, they'd end up unable to afford local healthcare, and would end up needing to return back north." There is already a reciprocal agreement for healthcare and no reason to suppose it would end. Don't forget there are many Spanish people living and working in the UK right now.
  - pjc50 10y ago
    Given the extent to which Brexit campaigners talk about ending immigration, I don't think it's safe to assume that. After all, deporting all the Spanish people living in the UK would be great for the net migration statistics. And cause total chaos, but that doesn't seem to have registered with the Leave campaign.
    - dazc 10y ago
      Is anyone seriously considering deporting all the Spanish people?
      - pjc50 10y ago
        I'm not sure if they've considered it, but it's the logical outcome of the change. They're not UK nationals and they don't have any kind of visa or leave to remain - because of the EU rules. So if the rules were changed to require visas for EU nationals, what then? Make everyone apply for leave to remain? Do nothing, and watch as people realise that although they can stay in the UK if they ever leave it to visit e.g. Spain they're not allowed back in at the border? So given e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11876453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11876453 , what happens?
        dazc 10y ago
        It is going to be complicated but I don't think it's going to be such a big problem? There will be lots of time to find workable arrangements, it's not like everything changes overnight. In the case of Spain and the UK there are lots of reasons to maintain a good working relationship. Of course it may not work out that way but, going back to the original point, anyone who left the UK 15 years ago had to be aware there may be problems further down the line?

by jkot 10y ago

ddebernardy 10y ago

And it's quite unfortunate for them that the UK might vote for a Brexit, without them necessarily being able to chime in. We recently met UK retirees in Spain who were deeply worried. They had not lived in the UK for over 15 years so weren't eligible to vote for or against. And yet their life situation was directly affected by the outcome: If the Brexit occurred, they'd end up unable to afford local healthcare, and would end up needing to return back north.

jkot 10y ago
I dont even get why UK wants out. UK is not part of Shengen and has its own currency. There is no reason for exiting, UK already has what it wants.
- ddebernardy 10y ago
  They'd like to pass their own (e.g.) consumer protection laws and negotiate their own trade deals. Which is cool and all... until they'll realize that, to trade with the EU were Brexit to come, they'll still need to comply with EU regulations. Only then, they'll no longer be voting on them (at all).
dazc 10y ago
"If the Brexit occurred, they'd end up unable to afford local healthcare, and would end up needing to return back north." There is already a reciprocal agreement for healthcare and no reason to suppose it would end. Don't forget there are many Spanish people living and working in the UK right now.
- pjc50 10y ago
  Given the extent to which Brexit campaigners talk about ending immigration, I don't think it's safe to assume that. After all, deporting all the Spanish people living in the UK would be great for the net migration statistics. And cause total chaos, but that doesn't seem to have registered with the Leave campaign.
  - dazc 10y ago
    Is anyone seriously considering deporting all the Spanish people?
    - pjc50 10y ago
      I'm not sure if they've considered it, but it's the logical outcome of the change. They're not UK nationals and they don't have any kind of visa or leave to remain - because of the EU rules. So if the rules were changed to require visas for EU nationals, what then? Make everyone apply for leave to remain? Do nothing, and watch as people realise that although they can stay in the UK if they ever leave it to visit e.g. Spain they're not allowed back in at the border? So given e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11876453 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11876453 , what happens?
      - dazc 10y ago
        It is going to be complicated but I don't think it's going to be such a big problem? There will be lots of time to find workable arrangements, it's not like everything changes overnight. In the case of Spain and the UK there are lots of reasons to maintain a good working relationship. Of course it may not work out that way but, going back to the original point, anyone who left the UK 15 years ago had to be aware there may be problems further down the line?