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"How covert agents infiltrate the internet to manipulate, deceive, and destroy reputations" https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ https://the

"How covert agents infiltrate the internet to manipulate, deceive, and destroy reputations" https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ https://theintercept.com/2014/02/24/jtrig-manipulation/ "Among the core self-identified purposes of JTRIG are two tactics: (1) to inject all sorts of false material onto the internet in order to destroy the reputation of its targets; and (2) to use social sciences and other techniques to manipulate online discourse and activism to generate outcomes it considers desirable." Maybe the other recent negative stories about Appelbaum are true. Or maybe they are created by GCHQ. Prior to the above being made publicly known, I would have just assumed the former. But now, how can we be sure?

draw_down 10y ago
Sure, it was wrong of the people involved to jump to conclusions about Applebaum... but for us, let's go hog wild and assume this was a campaign coordinated by national security agencies!
- andy_ppp 10y ago
  I think the "god you must be mad spy agencies wouldn't do that" argument went out the window a long time ago.
syngrog66 10y ago
also suspicious that none of the complainers went to law enforcement. you know, the way we as a society determime whether a true crime happened or not. innocent til proven guilty, trial, judge, etc. instead they took it to the public and smeared a man's name, directly. that itself is suspicous, as well as unethical.
- DanBC 10y ago
  > also suspicious that none of the complainers went to law enforcement. People who have been raped don't go to police because the world is full of stupid cunts who do stupid shit like putting the word "rape" in quotes to try to deny that rape happens as often as it does; and then spread lies and fud about what rape victims should have done while being raped ("Why didn't you fight back?"); or what rape victims should have done after they had been raped ("Why didn't they go to the police?"). Those people will also say that any rape accusation that doesn't result in a conviction is a false allegation, and that the rape didn't happen, and that the victim lied about it.
  - PavlovsCat 10y ago
    While we're having the super broad brushes out: People who DON'T ask for evidence and due process are part of a stoning for which they think have plausible deniability. https://twitter.com/Shidash/status/741259721756319744 https://twitter.com/Shidash/status/741259721756319744 This your world now. This is what you wanted, whether you admit it to yourself or not, this is what it means. Not having the courage to hear what oneself is saying does not mean one is not saying it, also see http://warprayer.org/ http://warprayer.org/ So enjoy it, because you're stuck with. "Respected people" pulling all sorts of obvious, low shit, unable to answer the most simple questions without straw men about all those women haters and rape apologists, and a whole lot of other "respected people" keeping their feet still. Who respects these people? People who don't mind lynch mobs, and don't even lose respect for people in them. Let me add that up and weigh it real quick -- oh look, it adds up to nothing. They came for someone, they did something to them, and you are complaining about the precious few people who were and are not complicit. The nerve! I wouldn't normally say but just think this, but considering your comment, I'll say it's only fair.

draw_down 10y ago

Sure, it was wrong of the people involved to jump to conclusions about Applebaum... but for us, let's go hog wild and assume this was a campaign coordinated by national security agencies!

andy_ppp 10y ago
I think the "god you must be mad spy agencies wouldn't do that" argument went out the window a long time ago.

syngrog66 10y ago

also suspicious that none of the complainers went to law enforcement. you know, the way we as a society determime whether a true crime happened or not. innocent til proven guilty, trial, judge, etc. instead they took it to the public and smeared a man's name, directly. that itself is suspicous, as well as unethical.

DanBC 10y ago
> also suspicious that none of the complainers went to law enforcement. People who have been raped don't go to police because the world is full of stupid cunts who do stupid shit like putting the word "rape" in quotes to try to deny that rape happens as often as it does; and then spread lies and fud about what rape victims should have done while being raped ("Why didn't you fight back?"); or what rape victims should have done after they had been raped ("Why didn't they go to the police?"). Those people will also say that any rape accusation that doesn't result in a conviction is a false allegation, and that the rape didn't happen, and that the victim lied about it.
- PavlovsCat 10y ago
  While we're having the super broad brushes out: People who DON'T ask for evidence and due process are part of a stoning for which they think have plausible deniability. https://twitter.com/Shidash/status/741259721756319744 https://twitter.com/Shidash/status/741259721756319744 This your world now. This is what you wanted, whether you admit it to yourself or not, this is what it means. Not having the courage to hear what oneself is saying does not mean one is not saying it, also see http://warprayer.org/ http://warprayer.org/ So enjoy it, because you're stuck with. "Respected people" pulling all sorts of obvious, low shit, unable to answer the most simple questions without straw men about all those women haters and rape apologists, and a whole lot of other "respected people" keeping their feet still. Who respects these people? People who don't mind lynch mobs, and don't even lose respect for people in them. Let me add that up and weigh it real quick -- oh look, it adds up to nothing. They came for someone, they did something to them, and you are complaining about the precious few people who were and are not complicit. The nerve! I wouldn't normally say but just think this, but considering your comment, I'll say it's only fair.