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"Wonder about the witnesses in all these stories, who coincidentally always seem to consist of the same set of people." Yeah... From what I've seen, the confir

by TillE 10y ago

"Wonder about the witnesses in all these stories, who coincidentally always seem to consist of the same set of people." Yeah... From what I've seen, the confirmed first-person stories suggest that Appelbaum is probably a huge asshole, but the worst stuff is contained in anonymous accounts filtered through a handful of people, at least one of whom has a weird axe to grind about "plagiarism". Something feels very off about the whole coordinated effort. This is not a normal way to accuse someone of terrible criminal behavior, by mixing those stories in with mere jerkitude.

rhblake 10y ago
I think the first-person stories of @hypatiadotca [0] and @violetblue [1] suggest more than that. [0] https://hypatia.ca/2016/06/07/he-said-they-said/ https://hypatia.ca/2016/06/07/he-said-they-said/ [1] https://twitter.com/violetblue/status/740446500891860992 https://twitter.com/violetblue/status/740446500891860992 / https://twitter.com/violetblue/status/740446782505779200 https://twitter.com/violetblue/status/740446782505779200 / etc. (argh twitter)
- andy_ppp 10y ago
  I think these people would be wise to go to the police rather than writing blog posts/twitter comments that imply vague wrong doing without any clear crimes involved.
  - prutschman 10y ago
    If no clear crime was committed, why on earth would going to the police have done any good?
    - middleclick 10y ago
      I feel for the victims not going to the police, but then my question is what is the alternative?
      - syngrog66 10y ago
        If the "victims" don't go to the police, then the alternative is we all slowly devolve into a world of smearing, guilt-upon-accusation, witch hunts, vigilantes, blackmail, shared-make-believe and anarchy.
  - A_COMPUTER 10y ago
    Honeywell stated a couple things that clearly violate consent, and could reasonably be described as rising to the level of legally actionable. I was very critical of some of the weak discounting of the possibility of JTRIG-style character attacks, but when notable, reputable people in the community come forward with specific relevant first-person claims, I believe it's important to take it more seriously.
    - andy_ppp 10y ago
      It's impossible to draw any conclusions without a fair trial. Apart from saying we should assume innocent until proven guilty. It's a really good idea that seems to have been marginalised in the age of the web.
redthrowaway 10y ago
>Something feels very off about the whole coordinated effort. This is not a normal way to accuse someone of terrible criminal behavior, by mixing those stories in with mere jerkitude. The "murder, rape, and jaywalking" language used by the original complainants really raised red flags for me, as well. The fact that all of the accusers mention plagiarism, of all things, suggests they have an axe to grind and see this as a legitimate move in that fight.

by TillE 10y ago

rhblake 10y ago

I think the first-person stories of @hypatiadotca [0] and @violetblue [1] suggest more than that. [0] https://hypatia.ca/2016/06/07/he-said-they-said/ https://hypatia.ca/2016/06/07/he-said-they-said/ [1] https://twitter.com/violetblue/status/740446500891860992 https://twitter.com/violetblue/status/740446500891860992 / https://twitter.com/violetblue/status/740446782505779200 https://twitter.com/violetblue/status/740446782505779200 / etc. (argh twitter)

andy_ppp 10y ago
I think these people would be wise to go to the police rather than writing blog posts/twitter comments that imply vague wrong doing without any clear crimes involved.
- prutschman 10y ago
  If no clear crime was committed, why on earth would going to the police have done any good?
  - middleclick 10y ago
    I feel for the victims not going to the police, but then my question is what is the alternative?
    - syngrog66 10y ago
      If the "victims" don't go to the police, then the alternative is we all slowly devolve into a world of smearing, guilt-upon-accusation, witch hunts, vigilantes, blackmail, shared-make-believe and anarchy.
- A_COMPUTER 10y ago
  Honeywell stated a couple things that clearly violate consent, and could reasonably be described as rising to the level of legally actionable. I was very critical of some of the weak discounting of the possibility of JTRIG-style character attacks, but when notable, reputable people in the community come forward with specific relevant first-person claims, I believe it's important to take it more seriously.
  - andy_ppp 10y ago
    It's impossible to draw any conclusions without a fair trial. Apart from saying we should assume innocent until proven guilty. It's a really good idea that seems to have been marginalised in the age of the web.

redthrowaway 10y ago

>Something feels very off about the whole coordinated effort. This is not a normal way to accuse someone of terrible criminal behavior, by mixing those stories in with mere jerkitude. The "murder, rape, and jaywalking" language used by the original complainants really raised red flags for me, as well. The fact that all of the accusers mention plagiarism, of all things, suggests they have an axe to grind and see this as a legitimate move in that fight.