> the whois database is just plain wrong :) The ASF owns and manages groovy-lang.org If there's no record in whois, then it would be more useful to say since w

> the whois database is just plain wrong :) The ASF owns and manages groovy-lang.org If there's no record in whois, then it would be more useful to say since when ASF has owned groovy-lang.org, and how one can check. > be useful if some of the criticisms against the ASF were actually factual How would anyone know ASF owns groovy-lang.org if the public record is wrong? They didn't own it at some recent time. And which other claim is false? The fact that Apache Groovy's CI system is donated by Jetbrains is "known and allowed" doesn't make it false.