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>> The variation is too great to paint everyone with the same brush. It's like saying 'everyone makes mistakes'; yes, but some make far more than others; > I t

>> The variation is too great to paint everyone with the same brush. It's like saying 'everyone makes mistakes'; yes, but some make far more than others; > I think you are referring to China making more mistakes then UK in the past. I wasn't, though I can see how that might be confusing. I just was using that phrase as an example of the near-meaninglessness of a binary perspective that ignores great differences in degree: 'everybody does' or 'everybody doesn't'. The question was whether censorship in the west is similar to that in China. > Have you heard of the Jallianwala Bagh massacre ? I read about the massacre in western history books. I saw a recreation of it in a western movie, "Gandhi" (IIRC). Two of your three citations are to western news publications. > it isn't hard to find with few online searches It's not hard to find stories of western atrocities in the west. But try finding stories of Communist Party atrocities in China.

rainhacker 10y ago
I think you are mixing freedom of press with variation in the stand of a nation on historic events. My OP addressed the later.
- hackuser 10y ago
  > I think you are mixing freedom of press with variation in the stand of a nation on historic events. My OP addressed the later. I don't understand: Almost all the criticism of the UK you posted came from the UK, and the sources I cited came from the West if not the UK. One quote you posted was one UK publication criticizing another on the matter. Doesn't that represent "variation in the stand of a nation"? Or do you mean some official stand by the UK government? Do they even have one? I'm pretty sure the U.S. government doesn't, or if it does it's completely unknown and ineffectual.
  - rainhacker 10y ago
    "The government of India, believing the gem was rightfully theirs, first demanded the return of the Koh-i-Noor as soon as independence was granted in 1947. A second request followed in 1953, the year of the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II. Each time, the British government rejected the claims, saying that ownership was non-negotiable." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor Also, I would be curious to see accounts where Brits punished any of their officials for the crimes in colonies. Mr. Dyer was merely removed from his post after the Jallianwala Bagh massacre. EDIT: one more: "British maintain 379 were killed - lower than the 1000 stated by India" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283438/David-Cameron-right-apologise--monstrous-massacre-Amritsar-SAVED-thousands-lives-says-Britains-historians.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283438/David-Camero...

rainhacker 10y ago

I think you are mixing freedom of press with variation in the stand of a nation on historic events. My OP addressed the later.

hackuser 10y ago
> I think you are mixing freedom of press with variation in the stand of a nation on historic events. My OP addressed the later. I don't understand: Almost all the criticism of the UK you posted came from the UK, and the sources I cited came from the West if not the UK. One quote you posted was one UK publication criticizing another on the matter. Doesn't that represent "variation in the stand of a nation"? Or do you mean some official stand by the UK government? Do they even have one? I'm pretty sure the U.S. government doesn't, or if it does it's completely unknown and ineffectual.
- rainhacker 10y ago
  "The government of India, believing the gem was rightfully theirs, first demanded the return of the Koh-i-Noor as soon as independence was granted in 1947. A second request followed in 1953, the year of the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II. Each time, the British government rejected the claims, saying that ownership was non-negotiable." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koh-i-Noor Also, I would be curious to see accounts where Brits punished any of their officials for the crimes in colonies. Mr. Dyer was merely removed from his post after the Jallianwala Bagh massacre. EDIT: one more: "British maintain 379 were killed - lower than the 1000 stated by India" http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283438/David-Cameron-right-apologise--monstrous-massacre-Amritsar-SAVED-thousands-lives-says-Britains-historians.html http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2283438/David-Camero...