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Everyone who is complaining is smart enough to easily change the theme to something they are more used to. Less technical people are either: 1. Not using Ubuntu

Everyone who is complaining is smart enough to easily change the theme to something they are more used to. Less technical people are either: 1. Not using Ubuntu, probably never will regardless of the position of window controls. 2. Perfectly happy to learn to click wherever required, as is evident when they purchase Macs and use those.

viraptor 17y ago
It's not about preference - it's about usability (if we leave out strange release management out of it): - proximity to "File" menu - proximity to top "Applications" menu - inconsistency (windows close on the left, tabs and system on the right)
- vollmond 17y ago
  Not to mention that, according to TFA, no existing themes work with the new structure: changing to another theme can't help.
  - cookiecaper 17y ago
    It's not that no themes work, if I understand correctly, it's that any other theme would still have the buttons on the right. Someone please correct me if this is wrong.
    - pyre 17y ago
      IIRC, the theme itself has control over where the buttons on the window titlebar go. I know for sure that this is the case in Emerald, and I know that other window managers allow various themes to move around the position of the buttons at will. If they changed the underlying code to force all themes to use the same button position regardless of what they have it set to... that's a lot bigger of an issue than just changing the button position in the default theme. Maybe someone running 10.04 Alpha 3 can confirm that this is being forced upon other themes. Another thought is that maybe most themes don't specify the button locations because they are used to the defaults being 'buttons on the right,' and this Ubuntu change messes with the global defaults rather than just applying the changes locally to the new default theme.
postfuturist 17y ago
Sorry, I completely retract any statements I made lauding the intelligence of people loudly complaining about the default theme change. They are definitely _not_ smart enough to change the theme (note confusion in comments surrounding this issue). It's Gnome, people.

viraptor 17y ago

It's not about preference - it's about usability (if we leave out strange release management out of it): - proximity to "File" menu - proximity to top "Applications" menu - inconsistency (windows close on the left, tabs and system on the right)

vollmond 17y ago
Not to mention that, according to TFA, no existing themes work with the new structure: changing to another theme can't help.
- cookiecaper 17y ago
  It's not that no themes work, if I understand correctly, it's that any other theme would still have the buttons on the right. Someone please correct me if this is wrong.
  - pyre 17y ago
    IIRC, the theme itself has control over where the buttons on the window titlebar go. I know for sure that this is the case in Emerald, and I know that other window managers allow various themes to move around the position of the buttons at will. If they changed the underlying code to force all themes to use the same button position regardless of what they have it set to... that's a lot bigger of an issue than just changing the button position in the default theme. Maybe someone running 10.04 Alpha 3 can confirm that this is being forced upon other themes. Another thought is that maybe most themes don't specify the button locations because they are used to the defaults being 'buttons on the right,' and this Ubuntu change messes with the global defaults rather than just applying the changes locally to the new default theme.

postfuturist 17y ago

Sorry, I completely retract any statements I made lauding the intelligence of people loudly complaining about the default theme change. They are definitely _not_ smart enough to change the theme (note confusion in comments surrounding this issue). It's Gnome, people.