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I didn't know much about the ASF until they took in (Apache) Groovy last year, into the incubator in May and as a top-level project in November. ASF bent or bro

by vorg 10y ago

I didn't know much about the ASF until they took in (Apache) Groovy last year, into the incubator in May and as a top-level project in November. ASF bent or broke many of their standards to accommodate Groovy... Most Groovy links at apache.org redirect to groovy-lang.org, which is privately owned by a single individual. He also keeps his own mailing list which he claims has more subscribers than the official Groovy users list at Apache. Access to the old mailing list history was obscured and made difficult. The Groovy build system mainly runs on a separate server somewhere in Germany, with only minimal interaction with the Apache process. The Groovy brand was changed from referring to a spec to referring to their particular implementation, something which I challenge. Based on that sample size of 1, I wouldn't be suprised if ASF bent or broke their standards to accommodate many other projects they take in.

humbedooh 10y ago
I may seem that way, but the whois database is just plain wrong :) The ASF owns and manages groovy-lang.org.
- jimjag 10y ago
  Yep. And the fact that the CI system is donated by JetBrains is also known and allowed. No "standards" were bent nor broken. The poster simply does not know what they are talking about, making their sample size not 1 but actually 0. It would actually be useful if some of the criticisms against the ASF were actually factual, so we could improve the ASF. But instead, they are simply fabrications or distortions.
  - vorg 10y ago
    > the whois database is just plain wrong :) The ASF owns and manages groovy-lang.org If there's no record in whois, then it would be more useful to say since when ASF has owned groovy-lang.org, and how one can check. > be useful if some of the criticisms against the ASF were actually factual How would anyone know ASF owns groovy-lang.org if the public record is wrong? They didn't own it at some recent time. And which other claim is false? The fact that Apache Groovy's CI system is donated by Jetbrains is "known and allowed" doesn't make it false.

by vorg 10y ago

humbedooh 10y ago

I may seem that way, but the whois database is just plain wrong :) The ASF owns and manages groovy-lang.org.

jimjag 10y ago
Yep. And the fact that the CI system is donated by JetBrains is also known and allowed. No "standards" were bent nor broken. The poster simply does not know what they are talking about, making their sample size not 1 but actually 0. It would actually be useful if some of the criticisms against the ASF were actually factual, so we could improve the ASF. But instead, they are simply fabrications or distortions.
- vorg 10y ago
  > the whois database is just plain wrong :) The ASF owns and manages groovy-lang.org If there's no record in whois, then it would be more useful to say since when ASF has owned groovy-lang.org, and how one can check. > be useful if some of the criticisms against the ASF were actually factual How would anyone know ASF owns groovy-lang.org if the public record is wrong? They didn't own it at some recent time. And which other claim is false? The fact that Apache Groovy's CI system is donated by Jetbrains is "known and allowed" doesn't make it false.