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> aggressive twitter accounts, There appears to be some false flags in those accounts, as the main site with the rape allegations has claimed that they do not

by jordigh 10y ago

> aggressive twitter accounts, There appears to be some false flags in those accounts, as the main site with the rape allegations has claimed that they do not endorse the threats uttered in those accounts.

PavlovsCat 10y ago
Don't endorse? That's first and foremost words -- the website, "TimeToDieJake" and the picture of the guillotine chopping of his penise, that's more real. Their plausible deniability doesn't translate into "confirmed false flags". It can't be confirmed either way, I'd say, since we can't read minds. "endorse" just means "not publically support", which in turn just means "we're not that insane". But you're right, it's AFAIK not entirely right to speak of aggressive twitter accountS, but I for one didn't buy their "we're not related" about TimeToDieJake for one second. Can't prove it, but it'll take you hard proof to convince me otherwise. I agree you can't blame people directly for all of anyone out there does now, I'm sure plenty of people enjoy stirring the pot. But you can blame adults at least partially for the storm they unleashed and the way in which they did it, and how unable they are to even see, much less acknowledge that. Stirring up hatred against someone and then saying you don't endorse hateful messages against them might be useful in a court, but beyond that? To me, generating hatred against Appelbaum was the whole and the sole point of the exercise. I mean, while we're at accepting "this seems plausible" as good enough, then that's a somewhat reasonable assumption I'd say. For me so far the claims of Appelbaum being a super psycho are hearsay, some of it plausible, sure, and nobody coming out for real against it - but I also see manipulation, using others to destroy someone, not wanting to lay it out in the open, and so on. Those are also red flags. And that's not because Appelbaum is playing his narcissist mind games on me, and makes me blame his doings on the victims, that's simply the stuff I see. I see a whole lot of disagreeing with downvotes instead of people using their words, too, and that is also a signal. For people who claim to be against abuse, some people are mighty abusive.
- PavlovsCat 10y ago
  I'll just leave this here, you know, for posterity. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11882458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11882458

by jordigh 10y ago

PavlovsCat 10y ago

Don't endorse? That's first and foremost words -- the website, "TimeToDieJake" and the picture of the guillotine chopping of his penise, that's more real. Their plausible deniability doesn't translate into "confirmed false flags". It can't be confirmed either way, I'd say, since we can't read minds. "endorse" just means "not publically support", which in turn just means "we're not that insane". But you're right, it's AFAIK not entirely right to speak of aggressive twitter accountS, but I for one didn't buy their "we're not related" about TimeToDieJake for one second. Can't prove it, but it'll take you hard proof to convince me otherwise. I agree you can't blame people directly for all of anyone out there does now, I'm sure plenty of people enjoy stirring the pot. But you can blame adults at least partially for the storm they unleashed and the way in which they did it, and how unable they are to even see, much less acknowledge that. Stirring up hatred against someone and then saying you don't endorse hateful messages against them might be useful in a court, but beyond that? To me, generating hatred against Appelbaum was the whole and the sole point of the exercise. I mean, while we're at accepting "this seems plausible" as good enough, then that's a somewhat reasonable assumption I'd say. For me so far the claims of Appelbaum being a super psycho are hearsay, some of it plausible, sure, and nobody coming out for real against it - but I also see manipulation, using others to destroy someone, not wanting to lay it out in the open, and so on. Those are also red flags. And that's not because Appelbaum is playing his narcissist mind games on me, and makes me blame his doings on the victims, that's simply the stuff I see. I see a whole lot of disagreeing with downvotes instead of people using their words, too, and that is also a signal. For people who claim to be against abuse, some people are mighty abusive.

PavlovsCat 10y ago
I'll just leave this here, you know, for posterity. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11882458 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11882458