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~~~~One thing that I think is extremely noteworthy is, that the slander site (and let's be frank, the site that went up on May 27th is slander in its purest for

~~~~One thing that I think is extremely noteworthy is, that the slander site (and let's be frank, the site that went up on May 27th is slander in its purest form) links to site resources hosted at the GitHub pages of the user profile "ioerror". That would be the profile of Jacob Appelbaum himself, but it's unlikely that Jacob would volunteer his GitHub account for this. Which leaves the conclusion that Jake Appelbaum's GitHub account has been taken over and he no longer has control over it.~~~~ EDIT: I was wrong on that, it's actually on a profile ioerrror spelled with 3 'r'-s – sneaky.

avree 10y ago
It's hosted from the GitHub page of "ioerrror", not "ioerror". Spelling is important.
- datenwolf 10y ago
  Ohh, I didn't notice that. Sneaky.
jordigh 10y ago
> let's be frank, the site that went up on May 27th is slander in its purest form I don't see why this is so immediately obviously slander. Why is it obvious to you?
- datenwolf 10y ago
  Why obvious, hmm, let's see: - Public accusations of felony and/or misconduct - Person who's accused is named - Accusations are in part done anonymous (notable exception: Nick Farr) On a personal level I know Jacob Appelbaum about as good as I know Nick Farr. EDIT: means I've exchanged words with them on congresses and on occasion discussed technical topics; that's it. If the allegations agains Jake prove to be true then I hope he'll have to face the appropriate lawful consequences. There's a reason there is a legal court system and there's a reason for the principle "innocent until proven guilty". And even if one thinks that the court system was ineffective (and oh boy it often is) and a person could get away with crimes this in no way gives carte blance to put a person on a pillory. Everybody who does this immediately looses all credibility in my opinion. The mere fact that this site exists is a great disservice to the victims, assuming the allegations are true. Would this site not exist the termination of employment of Jake Appelbaum in the Tor Project would carry much more weight. But with this site in existence the whole issue gets a very, very bad taste. And in fact to everyone who has a fine tuned legal conscience this creates a lot of bias against the victims. And what's more important: Jakob Appelbaum is currently living in Germany, so and legal process would be in terms of German law. And in Germany there are several legal protections on personal rights in place. Among them there is "Strafgesetzbuch (StGB) § 186 Üble Nachrede" English Translation (by me): > Who makes or spreads allegations against another person, which the intent of depreciation or which has the potential to vilify the public opinion without these allegations being provably true, is to be convited with one year of imprisonment or monetary penality, if the act was public or by publishing of written word (§ 11 Abs. 3), with two years of imprisonment or monetary penality. The key point here is "provably true". At the moment none of the allegations have ben proven true. It's all hearsay. And it clearly has the potential to vilify Jakobs Appelbaum's public image. The site is not hosted in Germany. But its mere existence has relevance for any legal actions that may happen in the future.

avree 10y ago

It's hosted from the GitHub page of "ioerrror", not "ioerror". Spelling is important.

datenwolf 10y ago
Ohh, I didn't notice that. Sneaky.

jordigh 10y ago

> let's be frank, the site that went up on May 27th is slander in its purest form I don't see why this is so immediately obviously slander. Why is it obvious to you?

datenwolf 10y ago
Why obvious, hmm, let's see: - Public accusations of felony and/or misconduct - Person who's accused is named - Accusations are in part done anonymous (notable exception: Nick Farr) On a personal level I know Jacob Appelbaum about as good as I know Nick Farr. EDIT: means I've exchanged words with them on congresses and on occasion discussed technical topics; that's it. If the allegations agains Jake prove to be true then I hope he'll have to face the appropriate lawful consequences. There's a reason there is a legal court system and there's a reason for the principle "innocent until proven guilty". And even if one thinks that the court system was ineffective (and oh boy it often is) and a person could get away with crimes this in no way gives carte blance to put a person on a pillory. Everybody who does this immediately looses all credibility in my opinion. The mere fact that this site exists is a great disservice to the victims, assuming the allegations are true. Would this site not exist the termination of employment of Jake Appelbaum in the Tor Project would carry much more weight. But with this site in existence the whole issue gets a very, very bad taste. And in fact to everyone who has a fine tuned legal conscience this creates a lot of bias against the victims. And what's more important: Jakob Appelbaum is currently living in Germany, so and legal process would be in terms of German law. And in Germany there are several legal protections on personal rights in place. Among them there is "Strafgesetzbuch (StGB) § 186 Üble Nachrede" English Translation (by me): > Who makes or spreads allegations against another person, which the intent of depreciation or which has the potential to vilify the public opinion without these allegations being provably true, is to be convited with one year of imprisonment or monetary penality, if the act was public or by publishing of written word (§ 11 Abs. 3), with two years of imprisonment or monetary penality. The key point here is "provably true". At the moment none of the allegations have ben proven true. It's all hearsay. And it clearly has the potential to vilify Jakobs Appelbaum's public image. The site is not hosted in Germany. But its mere existence has relevance for any legal actions that may happen in the future.