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Read 'Black Family in Slavery and Freedom' by Gutman. There are many metrics by which the black family is doing worse now than it was during slavery. E.g. Teen

by mffhts 10y ago

Read 'Black Family in Slavery and Freedom' by Gutman. There are many metrics by which the black family is doing worse now than it was during slavery. E.g. Teenage pregnancy and female headed households have gone up, with a large spike from the 1960s. Black teenage unemployment was also lower than white teenage unemployment for several years in the 40s. It can be debated what impact slavery has had, but slavery cannot be blamed for the reversal of these key trends.

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Noseshine 10y ago
That does nothing at all to undermine the point. Why would you expect them to do better after centuries of being taught to obey and strict separation and major disadvantages that still last? Recently I watched a lecture exploring the long-term public health consequences of apartheid ion South Africa. The blacks had been deliberately - and I mean as conscious government policy laid down in papers - taught to live a dependent life, obey the authorities, not think for their own. So of course you get horrible results now that they are "free". You think that proves something about them? When people say "it's cultural" as if that means "it's genetic" - that "culture" also is the result of the policies and treatment they received over the centuries.
- mffhts 10y ago
  You've made about ~8 points which would take longer to address than I currently have to spare. I suggest you read 'Black Family in Slavery and Freedom' as well as Booker T. Washington and Thomas Sowell's work. Their scholarship is infinitely greater than any summary I could provide.
  - Noseshine 10y ago
    > You've made about ~8 points which would take longer to address than I currently have to spare You DID have time to spare to say nothing, only that you could say something. Which of course shows that you piece of shit have nothing whatsoever.
- thowfaraway 10y ago
  Why would you expect them to do better after centuries of being taught to obey The insinuation that a reason blacks don't do better because they are trained or bred to be obedient is pretty gross, and not that different from the racist "docile negro" rhetoric of a century ago. Why not start with expectations that anyone can better themselves, regardless of race? If you want someone to move up, do you think they have a better chance of doing it if society tells them the can, or they can't?
  - Noseshine 10y ago
    > is pretty gross I'm sorry you think ignoring studies because you don't like the results is the way to go, you stupid moron.

by mffhts 10y ago

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Noseshine 10y ago

That does nothing at all to undermine the point. Why would you expect them to do better after centuries of being taught to obey and strict separation and major disadvantages that still last? Recently I watched a lecture exploring the long-term public health consequences of apartheid ion South Africa. The blacks had been deliberately - and I mean as conscious government policy laid down in papers - taught to live a dependent life, obey the authorities, not think for their own. So of course you get horrible results now that they are "free". You think that proves something about them? When people say "it's cultural" as if that means "it's genetic" - that "culture" also is the result of the policies and treatment they received over the centuries.

mffhts 10y ago
You've made about ~8 points which would take longer to address than I currently have to spare. I suggest you read 'Black Family in Slavery and Freedom' as well as Booker T. Washington and Thomas Sowell's work. Their scholarship is infinitely greater than any summary I could provide.
- Noseshine 10y ago
  > You've made about ~8 points which would take longer to address than I currently have to spare You DID have time to spare to say nothing, only that you could say something. Which of course shows that you piece of shit have nothing whatsoever.
thowfaraway 10y ago
Why would you expect them to do better after centuries of being taught to obey The insinuation that a reason blacks don't do better because they are trained or bred to be obedient is pretty gross, and not that different from the racist "docile negro" rhetoric of a century ago. Why not start with expectations that anyone can better themselves, regardless of race? If you want someone to move up, do you think they have a better chance of doing it if society tells them the can, or they can't?
- Noseshine 10y ago
  > is pretty gross I'm sorry you think ignoring studies because you don't like the results is the way to go, you stupid moron.