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Seriously? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_America,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_America,_Inc._v._Google.... Shall I go on?

by mr337 10y ago

jlarocco 10y ago
I'm not sure how that changes anything I said. FWIW, Google does it too: https://www.scribd.com/doc/40513712/Google-v-US-Complaint https://www.scribd.com/doc/40513712/Google-v-US-Complaint And I understand, the cases are not the same at all, but it highlights that Oracle is hardly the only tech company who will take to the courts to help themselves make money.
- Oletros 10y ago
  Is this a joke?
pron 10y ago
Are you aware of any company in Oracle's position that did not sue? Are you aware of any company that has ever done what Google did, at that scale, and was not sued?
- krasin 10y ago
  >Are you aware of any company in Oracle's position that did not sue Sun Microsystems, obviously
  - lmz 10y ago
    So, how did that work out for them?
    - Natsu 10y ago
      They got a huge buyout while everyone with a clue left the company, as I heard the story.
    - Oletros 10y ago
      So, what was the outcome of Oracle vs Google?
      - pron 10y ago
        Oracle made many arguments -- patent and copyright infringement. The patent claims were rejected, but after an appeal, the appeals court ruled that language-level APIs (i.e, not REST APIs or other protocols) are copyrightable, at which point (another) court debated the question of fair use by Google, and ruled in Google's favor (i.e, that their use of Java's API does not constitute an infringement of the API's copyright). Oracle have announced their decision to appeal the ruling. In the meantime, though, it seems like Android is about to adopt Oracle's OpenJDK, under the open-source license granted by Oracle.
        Oletros 10y ago
        OpenJDK was released by Sun, not by Oracle.
        pron 10y ago
        I didn't say it was released by Oracle; It is owned by Oracle and licensed by them to Google and anyone else by the GPL to do with as they please.
  - pron 10y ago
    Obviously not. They didn't have the resources or the time to sue; they were on the brink of collapse and already involved in talks of acquisition. Google fully expected them to sue[1], but got a reprieve due to Sun's troubles. Android was released in September 2008, with the first phone in November. At that time Sun was in acquisition talks with IBM (and maybe HP), which fell through in 3/09. In 4/09 -- about six months after Android was released -- they announced their agreement with Oracle[1]. That's hardly enough time to even prepare such a lawsuit, let alone carry it through, and obviously Sun had much greater concerns at the time. [1]: Because no such action had ever gone un-sued. [2]: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_acquisition_by_Oracle#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_acquisition_by_Oracle#Hist...

Seriously? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_America,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_America,_Inc._v._Google.... Shall I go on?

by mr337 10y ago

Seriously? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_America,_Inc._v._Google,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle_America,_Inc._v._Google.... Shall I go on?

jlarocco 10y ago

I'm not sure how that changes anything I said. FWIW, Google does it too: https://www.scribd.com/doc/40513712/Google-v-US-Complaint https://www.scribd.com/doc/40513712/Google-v-US-Complaint And I understand, the cases are not the same at all, but it highlights that Oracle is hardly the only tech company who will take to the courts to help themselves make money.

Oletros 10y ago
Is this a joke?

pron 10y ago

Are you aware of any company in Oracle's position that did not sue? Are you aware of any company that has ever done what Google did, at that scale, and was not sued?

krasin 10y ago
>Are you aware of any company in Oracle's position that did not sue Sun Microsystems, obviously
- lmz 10y ago
  So, how did that work out for them?
  - Natsu 10y ago
    They got a huge buyout while everyone with a clue left the company, as I heard the story.
  - Oletros 10y ago
    So, what was the outcome of Oracle vs Google?
    - pron 10y ago
      Oracle made many arguments -- patent and copyright infringement. The patent claims were rejected, but after an appeal, the appeals court ruled that language-level APIs (i.e, not REST APIs or other protocols) are copyrightable, at which point (another) court debated the question of fair use by Google, and ruled in Google's favor (i.e, that their use of Java's API does not constitute an infringement of the API's copyright). Oracle have announced their decision to appeal the ruling. In the meantime, though, it seems like Android is about to adopt Oracle's OpenJDK, under the open-source license granted by Oracle.
      - Oletros 10y ago
        OpenJDK was released by Sun, not by Oracle.
        pron 10y ago
        I didn't say it was released by Oracle; It is owned by Oracle and licensed by them to Google and anyone else by the GPL to do with as they please.
- pron 10y ago
  Obviously not. They didn't have the resources or the time to sue; they were on the brink of collapse and already involved in talks of acquisition. Google fully expected them to sue[1], but got a reprieve due to Sun's troubles. Android was released in September 2008, with the first phone in November. At that time Sun was in acquisition talks with IBM (and maybe HP), which fell through in 3/09. In 4/09 -- about six months after Android was released -- they announced their agreement with Oracle[1]. That's hardly enough time to even prepare such a lawsuit, let alone carry it through, and obviously Sun had much greater concerns at the time. [1]: Because no such action had ever gone un-sued. [2]: see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_acquisition_by_Oracle#History https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sun_acquisition_by_Oracle#Hist...