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Excellent write-up and well done for doing this! Were there any female instructors? If there had been some could they have led a female-only session in the eve

Excellent write-up and well done for doing this! Were there any female instructors? If there had been some could they have led a female-only session in the evening?

laughinghan 10y ago
Context: On the first day of the 48 hour hackathon, all female participants had to leave by 6:30 PM. This is because, under Sharia law, women cannot hang out with men they are not related or married to late into the evening. (For people like me who glance at the comment thread before reading the article, or who merely skimmed the article.)
- danharaj 10y ago
  Seeing "Sharia law" referred to as a definite entity is a little strange. It's like someone saying "under common law...". It's cromulent, but only on general principals not many specific statutes. There are several countries that follow Sharia, just like many countries follow civil law or common law. Relevant here because there are countries that follow Sharia that don't enforce such a curfew.
  - rgejman 10y ago
    Upvote for use of the word "cromulent."
  - eli_gottlieb 10y ago
    Does anyone have a definite idea which school of Sharia jurisprudence Hamas even follows?
  - cloudjacker 10y ago
    The article mentioned that the ruling government follows some part of Sharia law. And I'm sure the rest would take a lawyer to interpret, just like everywhere else, because the commoner interpretation of "why" is different than the legal or religious interpretation of "why"
- heh 10y ago
  That's absolutely disgusting. If I was there, I would have left, and never come back. We talk a lot about women's rights and women in tech, but if we allow ourselves to condone this kind of behavior then we haven't advanced enough towards real inclusiveness (I'm not talking about the micro-aggression tumblr-esqe bullshit here).
dopeboy 10y ago
Three of the mentors were female. Many of the staff and local volunteers were female. That's a good idea. I don't know to be honest.
- borski 10y ago
  Did the female instructors also have to leave in the evening, despite them not being Gazan?
  - dopeboy 10y ago
    No, they did not. Though in practice, they did. Only males did the overnight grind.
- dao- 10y ago
  Here's an idea: the next time someone asks women to leave because they're not allowed to hang out with men, respectfully suggest that all men leave instead.
  - belorn 10y ago
    Instead of being sexist and asking people to leave based on their gender, ask those who believe in Sharia to leave. Demand that anyone who enters the hackathon makes a public deceleration that they are not followers of any religious belief that treat women and men different.
    - BellsOnSunday 10y ago
      Sounds like a great idea if you want to visit a war-torn area to make a protest about sexism and Sharia, not to mention risk getting mixed up in an international incident or worse. Not so much if you want to run a hackathon which actually improves the lives of those that took part.
    - dao- 10y ago
      You seem to have misunderstood what I said. This wasn't at all me being sexist or asking others to be sexist. It was meant to get people to question those rules and motivate men to practice solidarity with women without directly violating the rules and immediately being punished by Hamas. Hamas kills people for the kind of tactics you proposed. If you want to fight Hamas directly, better make sure you have lots of people behind you or at least a good number of trained people with guns.

Excellent write-up and well done for doing this! Were there any female instructors? If there had been some could they have led a female-only session in the evening?

laughinghan 10y ago

Context: On the first day of the 48 hour hackathon, all female participants had to leave by 6:30 PM. This is because, under Sharia law, women cannot hang out with men they are not related or married to late into the evening. (For people like me who glance at the comment thread before reading the article, or who merely skimmed the article.)

danharaj 10y ago
Seeing "Sharia law" referred to as a definite entity is a little strange. It's like someone saying "under common law...". It's cromulent, but only on general principals not many specific statutes. There are several countries that follow Sharia, just like many countries follow civil law or common law. Relevant here because there are countries that follow Sharia that don't enforce such a curfew.
- rgejman 10y ago
  Upvote for use of the word "cromulent."
- eli_gottlieb 10y ago
  Does anyone have a definite idea which school of Sharia jurisprudence Hamas even follows?
- cloudjacker 10y ago
  The article mentioned that the ruling government follows some part of Sharia law. And I'm sure the rest would take a lawyer to interpret, just like everywhere else, because the commoner interpretation of "why" is different than the legal or religious interpretation of "why"
heh 10y ago
That's absolutely disgusting. If I was there, I would have left, and never come back. We talk a lot about women's rights and women in tech, but if we allow ourselves to condone this kind of behavior then we haven't advanced enough towards real inclusiveness (I'm not talking about the micro-aggression tumblr-esqe bullshit here).

dopeboy 10y ago

Three of the mentors were female. Many of the staff and local volunteers were female. That's a good idea. I don't know to be honest.

borski 10y ago
Did the female instructors also have to leave in the evening, despite them not being Gazan?
- dopeboy 10y ago
  No, they did not. Though in practice, they did. Only males did the overnight grind.
dao- 10y ago
Here's an idea: the next time someone asks women to leave because they're not allowed to hang out with men, respectfully suggest that all men leave instead.
- belorn 10y ago
  Instead of being sexist and asking people to leave based on their gender, ask those who believe in Sharia to leave. Demand that anyone who enters the hackathon makes a public deceleration that they are not followers of any religious belief that treat women and men different.
  - BellsOnSunday 10y ago
    Sounds like a great idea if you want to visit a war-torn area to make a protest about sexism and Sharia, not to mention risk getting mixed up in an international incident or worse. Not so much if you want to run a hackathon which actually improves the lives of those that took part.
  - dao- 10y ago
    You seem to have misunderstood what I said. This wasn't at all me being sexist or asking others to be sexist. It was meant to get people to question those rules and motivate men to practice solidarity with women without directly violating the rules and immediately being punished by Hamas. Hamas kills people for the kind of tactics you proposed. If you want to fight Hamas directly, better make sure you have lots of people behind you or at least a good number of trained people with guns.