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Please with draw your incorrect aspersions. Your example is not the same as the OP article, that faithfully reproduces the source data at: http://www.pewtrusts

Please with draw your incorrect aspersions. Your example is not the same as the OP article, that faithfully reproduces the source data at: http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/wwwpewtrustsorg/reports/economic_mobility/pewsharkeyv12pdf.pdf http://www.pewtrusts.org/~/media/legacy/uploadedfiles/wwwpew...

protomyth 10y ago
PoorBloke123 gave a fine example that I expanded on with an explanation of what typically happens. I then gave a recent example of the same thing one step farther. I don't really have time or any want to read the source other than to comment that I have always enjoyed the fact they know how to use their graphic art department properly. Since, its an urban study, my only real concern is people using it to prove things about rural areas which is the 3rd in line after the first two I expanded upon. [edit - from the I really should be doing something else department] If you based all the data from figure 3 you miss quite a few quotes about "Overall, because of the uncertainty in the estimates, the patterns do not provide a precise answer as to whether neighborhood poverty plays a substantial role in explaining black-white gaps in upward and downward mobility, nor do they attempt to account for other factors that could be driving the results. The next set of analyses address these issues.". If I were writing a summary I would have started with the ending and worked backwards because the earlier stuff is about building their case. Given that the following figures have a lot of comments about not enough study and lack of statistical significance quoting the earlier stuff without coaching it the same language is pretty poor reporting and lessens the conclusions and build-up that Pew was very methodological about. Pew did a really fine job of answering holes with further points on the way to their conclusions. It will be interesting to see who rebuts (there is always one) and with what reasoning. In fact, taking the study and showing someone to compare it to the article would give an actually fine comparison between a well thought out and sober, easy to understand report and a 8-bit wonder with a shallow an uneven understanding of the source material.

protomyth 10y ago

PoorBloke123 gave a fine example that I expanded on with an explanation of what typically happens. I then gave a recent example of the same thing one step farther. I don't really have time or any want to read the source other than to comment that I have always enjoyed the fact they know how to use their graphic art department properly. Since, its an urban study, my only real concern is people using it to prove things about rural areas which is the 3rd in line after the first two I expanded upon. [edit - from the I really should be doing something else department] If you based all the data from figure 3 you miss quite a few quotes about "Overall, because of the uncertainty in the estimates, the patterns do not provide a precise answer as to whether neighborhood poverty plays a substantial role in explaining black-white gaps in upward and downward mobility, nor do they attempt to account for other factors that could be driving the results. The next set of analyses address these issues.". If I were writing a summary I would have started with the ending and worked backwards because the earlier stuff is about building their case. Given that the following figures have a lot of comments about not enough study and lack of statistical significance quoting the earlier stuff without coaching it the same language is pretty poor reporting and lessens the conclusions and build-up that Pew was very methodological about. Pew did a really fine job of answering holes with further points on the way to their conclusions. It will be interesting to see who rebuts (there is always one) and with what reasoning. In fact, taking the study and showing someone to compare it to the article would give an actually fine comparison between a well thought out and sober, easy to understand report and a 8-bit wonder with a shallow an uneven understanding of the source material.