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Wow! Glen Greenwald put into words (much better than I could of course) some of the thoughts that ran through my head when the AP story showed up on my twitter

Wow! Glen Greenwald put into words (much better than I could of course) some of the thoughts that ran through my head when the AP story showed up on my twitter feed. The timing really made it smell like an attempt to pull the rug out from Sanders the day before the California primary.

tellarin 10y ago
If this is indeed the case, I really hope it backfires. That would be very interesting to see.
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JeremyBanks 10y ago
Why will this hurt Bernie's turnout more than Clinton's? From her campaign's recent posts, Clinton seems worried that this coverage could cost her points today.
- nameless912 10y ago
  While it's not likely, it would be very interesting from a statistical and sociological perspective. A ridiculously inflated victory would definitely let Bernie ride all the way to the convention in a Mad Max-esque blaze of glory. The fact that he won't make it past there almost wouldn't matter at that point, it'd just be one giant-ass middle finger to everyone in the party leadership.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  > Why will this hurt Bernie's turnout more than Clinton's? Because once the media crowns a winner (or even just declares a candidate practically eliminated), they tend to underperform their polls even if they haven't publicly conceded. (When a winner is crowned, it also tends to depress turnout for the whole contest, which has to be a concern for downballot Democrats in California, especially with the top-two primary system for non-Presidential races which actually makes the primary more like the general election in a general + runoff system than a normal primary; while it probably doesn't matter a lot in the statewide races or areas which are Democratic strongholds, it could matter in other places. Actually, in some of the Democratic-favored races it could make the difference between two Democrats advancing in the top-two system and a Republican actually making the cut, so it might matter even there.) > Clinton seems worried that this coverage could cost her points today. That's not what you'd usually expect based on history, but its certainly possible (that Clinton supporters could stay home because they don't feel the need to vote, and Sanders supporters show up as a protest to the media coronation), and given the effect it has on interpretation of the results, its the expectation the Clinton campaign would want voice concern about and use to shape media coverage whether or not its a real concern.

tellarin 10y ago

If this is indeed the case, I really hope it backfires. That would be very interesting to see.

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JeremyBanks 10y ago

Why will this hurt Bernie's turnout more than Clinton's? From her campaign's recent posts, Clinton seems worried that this coverage could cost her points today.

nameless912 10y ago
While it's not likely, it would be very interesting from a statistical and sociological perspective. A ridiculously inflated victory would definitely let Bernie ride all the way to the convention in a Mad Max-esque blaze of glory. The fact that he won't make it past there almost wouldn't matter at that point, it'd just be one giant-ass middle finger to everyone in the party leadership.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> Why will this hurt Bernie's turnout more than Clinton's? Because once the media crowns a winner (or even just declares a candidate practically eliminated), they tend to underperform their polls even if they haven't publicly conceded. (When a winner is crowned, it also tends to depress turnout for the whole contest, which has to be a concern for downballot Democrats in California, especially with the top-two primary system for non-Presidential races which actually makes the primary more like the general election in a general + runoff system than a normal primary; while it probably doesn't matter a lot in the statewide races or areas which are Democratic strongholds, it could matter in other places. Actually, in some of the Democratic-favored races it could make the difference between two Democrats advancing in the top-two system and a Republican actually making the cut, so it might matter even there.) > Clinton seems worried that this coverage could cost her points today. That's not what you'd usually expect based on history, but its certainly possible (that Clinton supporters could stay home because they don't feel the need to vote, and Sanders supporters show up as a protest to the media coronation), and given the effect it has on interpretation of the results, its the expectation the Clinton campaign would want voice concern about and use to shape media coverage whether or not its a real concern.